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Adisa said:
Trump has cut funding for education, housing, food stamps and other things.
Wants tens of billions for a department whose functions are already carried out by the Air Force. How the feck are the Dems losing on messaging?
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Some of them seem to be doing ok maybe (at least from my perspective):

 
Cortez answered that question brilliantly . But they need to get other progressives up to her speed . Cori Bush paid the price when she was questioned by Fox about how she was going to pay for all these programs ,she fumbled the question and came out of it looking clueless.
 
So this Ocasia-Cortez...



Just another SJW, identity politics driven idiot it seems. I can't take these people seriously. If this is the direction the Democrats want to go then Trump might just win again.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
So this Ocasia-Cortez...



Just another SJW, identity politics driven idiot it seems. I can't take these people seriously. If this is the direction the Democrats want to go then Trump might just win again.
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:lol: How far up your ass did you reach to pull this logic out?
 
FlawlessThaw said:
How so?
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Did you read the tweet? Crying sexism because she doesn't want to debate a man she'd probably lose against. Doesn't get much lower. And how exactly is a serious discussion about issues that raises money for charity "bad intentions"? These people on the left drive me nuts.

Hard to argue with this response as well:

 
Is it that hard to criticise democrats (or the left) without resorting to all the usual phrases like snowflakes, libtards, SJWs, virtue signalling, blah blah? Aside from it signposting the type of poster you could be encountering it's just generally off putting and tedious.
 
afrocentricity said:
Is it that hard to criticise democrats (or the left) without resorting to all the usual phrases like snowflakes, libtards, SJWs, virtue signalling, blah blah? Aside from it signposting the type of poster you could be encountering it's just generally off putting and tedious.
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Using things like the Daily Caller as a news source can do that to a brain.
 
afrocentricity said:
Is it that hard to criticise democrats (or the left) without resorting to all the usual phrases like snowflakes, libtards, SJWs, virtue signalling, blah blah? Aside from it signposting the type of poster you could be encountering it's just generally off putting and tedious.
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It was a very apt term to describe that utterly embarassasing tweet.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
It was a very apt term to describe that utterly embarassasing tweet.
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Depends on your vocabulary.... I'm not sure how you wanted your post to be received. Seeing you double down tho I guess you don't care and aren't interested in nonpartisan conversation.
 
afrocentricity said:
Depends on your vocabulary.... I'm not sure how you wanted your post to be received. Seeing you double down tho I guess you don't care and aren't interested in nonpartisan conversation.
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No. Not being interested in non-partisan conversation is exactly what I was criticising. And this tends to be a big problem on the progressive left.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Did you read the tweet? Crying sexism because she doesn't want to debate a man she'd probably lose against. Doesn't get much lower. And how exactly is a serious discussion about issues that raises money for charity "bad intentions"? These people on the left drive me nuts.
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It seems like they already drive you nuts based on your vocabulary. I didn't think she cried sexism, just said she didn't have to respond to a nobody like Shapiro (from a political perspective).

He can always engage with other general political nobodies like at the Young Turks if he is that interested in having a "conversation".
 
Pagh Wraith said:
So this Ocasia-Cortez...



Just another SJW, identity politics driven idiot it seems. I can't take these people seriously. If this is the direction the Democrats want to go then Trump might just win again.
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What a silly response from her. She should debate him. She won't because he will probably pummel her as he's a seasoned debater. But likening his call for a debate to catcalling ? Jesus
 
Pagh Wraith said:
It was a very apt term to describe that utterly embarassasing tweet.
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The only thing that is embarrassing is your response to the tweet as it was rude and judgemental based upon one single tweet. She quite clearly believes that the offer for an debate was not based on good intentions but for ulterior motives instead and that is why she dosn´t want to have a debate with him. This is a perfectly legit response and decision to make. This has nothing to do with what that Amber Athey say either as Cortez never said anything about women being weaker than men. You did the classic mistake of reading what you want it to mean rather than what it says.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
No. Not being interested in non-partisan conversation is exactly what I was criticising. And this tends to be a big problem on the progressive left.
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It's a problem with people in general not exclusive to the left. Your post would be better here.
 
afrocentricity said:
Is it that hard to criticise democrats (or the left) without resorting to all the usual phrases like snowflakes, libtards, SJWs, virtue signalling, blah blah? Aside from it signposting the type of poster you could be encountering it's just generally off putting and tedious.
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Yeah it's a very immature approach.
 
ChaddyP said:
What a silly response from her. She should debate him. She won't because he will probably pummel her as he's a seasoned debater. But likening his call for a debate to catcalling ? Jesus
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Why should she debate him? He's not running against her.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
It seems like they already drive you nuts based on your vocabulary. I didn't think she cried sexism, just said she didn't have to respond to a nobody like Shapiro (from a political perspective).

He can always engage with other general political nobodies like at the Young Turks if he is that interested in having a "conversation".
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It is her vocabulary that is the problem here. How weak is your own position if you have to resort to these cheap attacks. And like it or not, Shapiro is a house-hold name now in conservative media. And not a loon like many others on the right. If you can't even debate him, then there is no political debate anymore.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
It is her vocabulary that is the problem here. How weak is your own position if you have to resort to these cheap attacks. And like it or not, Shapiro is a house-hold name now in conservative media. And not a loon like many others on the right. If you can't even debate him, then there is no political debate anymore.
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Vocabulary wasn't the issue, unconfirmed bias was. And didn't realise how if you refuse to debate Lord Shapiro, messiah of Conservatism then you shutting down political debate.

Maybe instead of being self-interested in promoting his own profile, he should actually put some skin in the game.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Why should she debate him? He's not running against her.
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So what If she doesn't want to then fine whatever. He's a well known Conservative and debating him could help change a few minds for those on the fence. If you feel you can't take him on no problem. No one has to debate anyone.

My problem is her quite disgusting response saying that him asking for a civilised debate is some how sexist catcalling.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
And didn't realise how if you refuse to debate Lord Shapiro, messiah of Conservatism then you shutting down political debate.
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How else are you meant to have a open political dialogue without staring directly into that self-enima?

ChaddyP said:
My problem is her quite disgusting response saying that him asking for a civilised debate is some how sexist catcalling.
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and much like catcalling when the woman rightly looks at your disgusting face and tells you to feck off you lose your mind

just take no for an answer bro, she's not into you
 
ChaddyP said:
So what If she doesn't want to then fine whatever. He's a well known Conservative and debating him could help change a few minds for those on the fence. If you feel you can't take him on no problem. No one has to debate anyone.

My problem is her quite disgusting response saying that him asking for a civilised debate is some how sexist catcalling.
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It was a metaphor mate, Shapiro wanted to debate her to boost his profile despite being a well known Conservative. Given his intentions weren't wholeheartedly pure she made a comparison. Sorry if it was kind of sickening to certain sensibilities.
 
Silva said:
and much like catcalling when the woman rightly looks at your disgusting face and tells you to feck off you lose your mind

just take no for an answer bro, she's not into you
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What drivel. What has any of that to do with the issue at hand?
 
Silva said:
How else are you meant to have a open political dialogue without staring directly into that self-enima?


and much like catcalling when the woman rightly looks at your disgusting face and tells you to feck off you lose your mind

just take no for an answer bro, she's not into you
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Then just say no? Why bring it to sexism. Its completely unwarranted. But she's your second coming so I guess it's cool
 
Silva said:
Jesus feck, it's no wonder you think Ben Shapiro is good debater if you're so incapable of understanding how metaphors work.
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I know how they work. What exactly has catcalling to do with a request for a debate. Ocasia-Cortez used this metaphor, and it's disgusting and quite revealing about her.

As ChaddyP said above, she could have just said no. Although I think they she should debate him and tell him how wrong he is on foreign policy for example.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
It was a metaphor mate, Shapiro wanted to debate her to boost his profile despite being a well known Conservative. Given his intentions weren't wholeheartedly pure she made a comparison. Sorry if it was kind of sickening to certain sensibilities.
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So he's well known even among Liberals, always on CNN and goes on left leaning shows but he wants to only boost his profile. But you know his intentions weren't pure for a fact. Interesting
 
ChaddyP said:
So what If she doesn't want to then fine whatever. He's a well known Conservative and debating him could help change a few minds for those on the fence. If you feel you can't take him on no problem. No one has to debate anyone.

My problem is her quite disgusting response saying that him asking for a civilised debate is some how sexist catcalling.
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Is there a name for this phenomenon where someone pretends to be outraged or disgusted by something hardly disgusting or offensive whilst also supporting people that say stuff like Palestinians live in open sewers or black people suffer no institutional racism in modern society?

It's like concern trolling, but not quite.

Also Ben Shapiro is not a respected conservative, he's a loudmouth cnut who made a career from preaching to the choir and riling up morons. You say you abhor the fact that the left shies away from bipartisan dialogue. You must be a huge fan of Trump and his 12341241 rally circle jerk MAGA fests? Nothing screams bipartisan dialogue like 50.000 rednecks screaming LOCK HER UP and CNN SUCKS.
 
ChaddyP said:
Then just say no? Why bring it to sexism. Its completely unwarranted. But she's your second coming so I guess it's cool
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Pagh Wraith said:
I know how they work. What exactly has catcalling to do with a request for a debate. Ocasia-Cortez used this metaphor, and it's disgusting and quite revealing about her.
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given the response to her tweet I can only imagine it was designed to trigger delicate reactionary snowflakes
 
Pagh Wraith said:
So this Ocasia-Cortez...



Just another SJW, identity politics driven idiot it seems. I can't take these people seriously. If this is the direction the Democrats want to go then Trump might just win again.
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Why should she be compelled to spend her time debating with Ben Shapiro, just because he wants to? That guy is an obnoxious and offensive tool.

She's spot on.
 
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