US Politics

In the first post you quoted I linked his book to it, which included a summary of those results. Here's a bit more info on it:

http://timgroseclose.com/about-left-turn/

Beyond that I guess you can find whatever you're looking for on Google



Part of this research actually confirms what you're saying - the media isn't as liberal as portrayed by the people most frequently using the term, i.e. conservative opinion leaders. And that the extremes aren't well covered on either side. Here's a comment of his about the NYT:



To give you an idea of the scoring system, here's some reference points he mentioned:



I think it's worth looking into. The fact it uses how people vote on particular issues does have its issues, but it removes a lot of the opinion and removes the bias of our own analysis seen through the prism or our own particular political leanings.


Thanks, I’ll be interested to read this because from the perspective I have, the US media has a very right slant on things but I guess that could be because my spectrum is a lot further left than the US so it’s perfectly feasible that what I view as centrist is “liberal”.
 
The 2005 paper that 2cents posted seems to conclude there is a considerable liberal bias.

https://5harad.com/mse231/papers/groseclose_milyo_mediabias.pdf



The paper also mentions previous studies....

I'm confused. Did you only read that one sentence, rather than the conversation or the articles informing them? The paper 2cents posted is the subject of the conversation quoted in my posts, by one of the authors, saying the same thing. Your first quote is another iteration of exactly the same point made in my first quote from him, in the very post you quoted - 18 of 20 media outlets leaned left. The book that he made of the back of that research, which was in my first post of the subject, put forward the idea that the media was liberal on such a large scale that they're dragging voters to the left. So I'm fully in agreement with you that the media is liberal.

The part you quoted was in reply to Eboue, who pointed out there's very little love for socialist ideas or people like Bernie. Which is true, so I just qualified that point with some of the authors other statements on the subject. And that's because while they are almost all left leaning, they are left of centre - further away from socialism than they are from the centre. As per his other quote, if you were to anthropomorphise the papers they would be more Joe Lieberman than Barack Obama, never mind Bernie Sanders.
 
Thanks, I’ll be interested to read this because from the perspective I have, the US media has a very right slant on things but I guess that could be because my spectrum is a lot further left than the US so it’s perfectly feasible that what I view as centrist is “liberal”.

The US is significantly to the right of the geopolitical median so it would make sense to any non-American that the US media are to the right. Domestically however, there is a widespread perception that it skews left, which this academic's research seems to corroborate.
 
What do you make of the idea that Americans are on the whole "naturally" conservative, but they're pulled slightly to the left by the generally-agreed-to-be "liberal" media and the like?

What do you even mean by this? Do you mean Americans being generally more religious than the rest of the advanced nations in Europe and Asia? The foundation of the Protestant work ethic?
 
The 2005 paper that 2cents posted seems to conclude there is a considerable liberal bias.

https://5harad.com/mse231/papers/groseclose_milyo_mediabias.pdf


I am truly shocked that made it into the Quarterly Journal of Economics because it relies on an obviously flawed premise and makes irresponsible conclusions.

It arbitrarily selects its own conclusion by selecting a completely un-representative data set to represent "the media"

The conservative press have always used different mediums to reach their audience than conventional liberals - they have traditionally completely dominated radio (which is a huge understated influence with so much driving), they have a huge advantage controlling local television and news papers (Sinclair and Meredith) and more recently they have been far ahead of the liberals in weaponizing social media and using tools like forums (4chan for instance) and podcasts to spread their influence even further.

By only measuring "select major media outlets" the study instantly becomes useless because the data set does not accurately "the media" in any way.

Its a typical garbage in, garbage out type of study. Biased and unrepresentative data set = conclusion does not follow from the premise. That data set is so misleading its amusing. I love how they force every network to have two shows tracked but with Fox its only one - that makes their bias even more obvious.

Its basically like me taking a sample of only Talk Radio and local TV and local newspapers and concluding there is a substantial conservative bias to the media.

Also when I look up the authors, its pretty clear they are not objective authors and have an ideological motivation which would explain their woefully incomplete and biased data set. Even more problems with their methodology as I read it more. Its really a meaningless and poorly conducted study.
This is really some clever snake oil right here
 
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More on those authors of that paper on liberal bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Groseclose
In 2005, Groseclose co-authored an article with Jeffrey Milyo, a Professor of Economics at the University of Missouri, in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, entitled "A Measure of Media Bias".[4] The article suggested the American media had a liberal bias.[5] Drawing upon this article, Groseclose published "Left Turn: How Liberal Media Bias Distorts the American Mind" in 2012.[5] Robert Barro, a Harvard University Economics professor, asserts, “The bottom line from the Groseclose-Milyo study is that the political slant of most of the mainstream media is far to the left of the typical member of Congress. Thus, if the political opinions of viewers, listeners, and readers are similar to those of their elected representatives, the political leanings of most of the media are far to the left of those of most of their customers.”[6] The book suggests that all media outlets in the United States are left-leaning.[7] He adds that conservative media outlets like Fox News and the Drudge Report are only moderately conservative.[7][not in citation given] Furthermore, he goes on to argue that the left-wing media bias influences American voters to lean left.[7] If it were not for media bias, he claims that the US would think and vote like a solid red state, such as Texas or Kentucky. He also suggests that Republican candidate John McCain would have won the 2008 United States presidential election.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Milyo
Very small paragraph on him but does say he's a fellow at Cato Institute, ahem.
 


I bet will pay out $3m/$12m/$60m compensation and it’ll still be the right decision because on a macro level they will still make a net profit.
 
Poisonous Pelosi?
Listened to some interesting radio a short while back about how the Democratic Party still doesn’t have a succinct and clear message for voters.
 
Poisonous Pelosi?
Listened to some interesting radio a short while back about how the Democratic Party still doesn’t have a succinct and clear message for voters.

They definitely don't have a message, mainly because they don't have a unified platform. They are still stuck in the mud between establishment and progressive wings. They are in need of a new candidate who can merge both wings into a coherent platform.
 
You would think that it would be job #1, to get a winning strategy.
On that radio report; they surveyed a bunch of people and got a lot of different responses, which they compiled.
The end result was such a cluttered message that had too many watered down or ignored issues.

Contrast that with the Repub plan: supposedly a small group of Repub pols gathered in a steak restaurant in DC on Obama’s inauguration night and came up with the simple plan; oppose everything Obama and the Dems propose.
 
Please someone tell me, what are the chances of Nunes being deposed in November?
 
Please someone tell me, what are the chances of Nunes being deposed in November?

Whether he loses in November or not, if the Dems happen to reclaim the house then he will be instantly rendered powerless in the committee and Schiff will take over and probably restart the Russia investigation.
 
Whether he loses in November or not, if the Dems happen to reclaim the house then he will be instantly rendered powerless in the committee and Schiff will take over and probably restart the Russia investigation.

I’m torn between Nunes being kicked out on his arse in the elections and narrowly keeping his seat and then being completely marginalised and disciplined by Schiff.

I think the latter would be better viewing. I could actually see Schiff and the FBI feeding him false information and watching him leak it to the press.
 
I’m torn between Nunes being kicked out on his arse in the elections and narrowly keeping his seat and then being completely marginalised and disciplined by Schiff.

I think the latter would be better viewing. I could actually see Schiff and the FBI feeding him false information and watching him leak it to the press.

I'm ok with Nunes staying and getting investigated by the Dems next term as long as him retaining his seat doesn't mean it affects the Dems retaking the House.
 
In another resounding victory for the working American Neil Gorsuch heroically tips the Supreme Court balance to uphold contracts barring class actions in contract arbitration.
 
This is HUGE news.

Supreme Court Upholds Workplace Arbitration Contracts Barring Class Actions
The Supreme Court on Monday ruled that companies can use arbitration clauses in employment contracts to prohibit workers from banding together to take legal action over workplace issues.

The vote was 5 to 4, with the court’s more conservative justices in the majority. The court’s decision could affect some 25 million employment contracts.

Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶-̶owners -- Lenin

Also linking to one of my favourite articles: http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/01/let-it-bleed-libertarianism-and-the-workplace/
 
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Kinda wonder how many tweets are from bogus profiles and how many are legit. I'm certain some of those tweets are genuine thoughts from idiots across the nation.

Immediately thought the same thing, although some are so bafflingly stupid as to make one consider it is from a bot or someone regurgitating strictly from a insane right wing talking point.
 
It won't crest without both progressive and establishment participation. There aren't enough of either alone to make a blue wave successful.

Yes that may be true. Will be very interesting to see the results of the primary between Stacey Abrams and Stacey Evans in a Red State.
 
Dems need to be recruiting more candidates like Stacey Abrams who has managed to get a lot of establishment and progressive backing.
 
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https://fellowtravelersblog.com/2018/05/22/salting-the-wound/



There are around 500 pages released of the torture report, out of a total of six thousand. They detail horrifying abuses and a culture of terror. To ignore what the CIA has done is no way to expiate our national sin. There are hundreds of pages about the drowning and resuscitation of innocents, the beatings, the rapes. Here is everything the CIA did in your name and said it was for you. Here is every act of violence held up as an act of service. Here are the lives destroyed, the families shattered, the peaces ruined. Here is the sick, stinking, rotten mess of our nation’s soul, squirming under scrutiny like an animal unaccustomed to the light. Here is our national shame, our American tar pit.