US Open

USTA need to do one...get a freaking roof for centre court already...and don't tell be about cost/logistics/atmosphere.

The Aussie open is superb for this...Wimbledon and others need to get the hint.
 
Hah. I was worried about having to leave work early tomorrow to get to the game but my manager just emailed that I shouldnt miss the game. Awesome.
 
3rd year in a row now that the final has got postponed. And yet the US Open officials won't do anything.
 
Yep. The num 2 and 3 spot is going to be exchanged between the 2 of them time and again :D

I think Djoko just might edge this match. With the added rest and his superiority over Nadal on hard courts, this will be a very very hard match :nervous:
 
Yep. The num 2 and 3 spot is going to be exchanged between the 2 of them time and again :D

I think Djoko just might edge this match. With the added rest and his superiority over Nadal on hard courts, this will be a very very hard match :nervous:

Apsolutely. I think it's something like 7:3 or 8:3 for Novak on hard courts. Although Nadal massively improved since last year. Will be a great match.
 
Yeah it's 7-3 on hard courts. All of Novak's wins over Nadal have come on hard courts. He's also won their last 3 though the last 3 were last year when Nadal was really really poor.

Before that Nadal had beaten him in the Olympics on a surface comparable to the USO. It's going to be hard for Nadal.
 
Lot of people were giving him no chance at all and now suddenly he has a chance?

You only have to look at the head-to-head and know its going to be hard for Nadal. Not too mention it's a fecking final, Nole will be well up for this one, and even more so given the extra rest time.

What time does it start tonight?

I have a feeling I will miss the first hour cause of training.
 
I always believed Nole has a chance against Federer, I thought it's 50:50 really, depending on the day.

But with Rafa, oh man. He's just a machine right now.
 
Lot of people were giving him no chance at all and now suddenly he has a chance?

You only have to look at the head-to-head and know its going to be hard for Nadal. Not too mention it's a fecking final, Nole will be well up for this one, and even more so given the extra rest time.

What time does it start tonight?

I have a feeling I will miss the first hour cause of training.

People are giving him a chance now because of the way he played against Federer and the extra day of rest.

Nadal will win in straight sets, is my guess.

I always believed Nole has a chance against Federer, I thought it's 50:50 really, depending on the day.

But with Rafa, oh man. He's just a machine right now.

Djokovic is nowhere near 50-50 against Federer. One win won't change that just yet. You have to remember that for four and half sets Federer was at about 3/10 and Djokovic at 6 or 7/10 and even then he only won by the odd game. Whether that match and tonight's give him the confidence to match them is another thing, but he still has a way to go.
 
People are giving him a chance now because of the way he played against Federer and the extra day of rest.

Nadal will win in straight sets, is my guess.



Djokovic is nowhere near 50-50 against Federer. One win won't change that just yet. You have to remember that for four and half sets Federer was at about 3/10 and Djokovic at 6 or 7/10 and even then he only won by the odd game. Whether that match and tonight's give him the confidence to match them is another thing, but he still has a way to go.

Not really getting your logic here (btw the 50:50 was based on this years US Open, I'm not saying Djokovic and Federer are equally good.), what you're saying is when Djokovic wins two sets 6:1 and 6:2 it's because Federer let's him, or because Djokovic was lucky, and when Djokovic loses two sets in tie break it's because he's lucky not to have lost by a wider margin?!

I do believe that Nadal is the best at the moment but that Djokovic is definitely closing in to Federer. Obviously he doesnt have the titles (yet) but he's also 6 years younger than Federer. He's top, world-class tennis player and deserves much more credit than some people are willing to give him.
 
Lot of people were giving him no chance at all and now suddenly he has a chance?

You only have to look at the head-to-head and know its going to be hard for Nadal. Not too mention it's a fecking final, Nole will be well up for this one, and even more so given the extra rest time.

What time does it start tonight?

I have a feeling I will miss the first hour cause of training.

I din't really expect him to get past his Fed with his mental breakdowns (and he almost did mess it up).
That match would have only helped him. If the match was yesterday Nadal would have had a tremendous advantage. But right now it could go to anyone. Nole's been in as good form as Nadal except for a match or two. However whether he's mentally strong enough again is the question.
I always believed Nole has a chance against Federer, I thought it's 50:50 really, depending on the day.

But with Rafa, oh man. He's just a machine right now.

Djoko always has a chance against Fed but almost everytime he bottles it :mad:
In the 07 final he had 5 sets points over the 1st two sets and he wasted every one of them.
People are giving him a chance now because of the way he played against Federer and the extra day of rest.

Nadal will win in straight sets, is my guess.

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Would be a dream come true :D
 
Not really getting your logic here (btw the 50:50 was based on this years US Open, I'm not saying Djokovic and Federer are equally good.), what you're saying is when Djokovic wins two sets 6:1 and 6:2 it's because Federer let's him, or because Djokovic was lucky, and when Djokovic loses two sets in tie break it's because he's lucky not to have lost by a wider margin?!

I do believe that Nadal is the best at the moment but that Djokovic is definitely closing in to Federer. Obviously he doesnt have the titles (yet) but he's also 6 years younger than Federer. He's top, world-class tennis player and deserves much more credit than some people are willing to give him.

Well he's always had loads of talent but he's just always been (and might yet be) too weak mentally. And he has his fitness issues as well.
 
Not really getting your logic here (btw the 50:50 was based on this years US Open, I'm not saying Djokovic and Federer are equally good.), what you're saying is when Djokovic wins two sets 6:1 and 6:2 it's because Federer let's him, or because Djokovic was lucky, and when Djokovic loses two sets in tie break it's because he's lucky not to have lost by a wider margin?!

I do believe that Nadal is the best at the moment but that Djokovic is definitely closing in to Federer. Obviously he doesnt have the titles (yet) but he's also 6 years younger than Federer. He's top, world-class tennis player and deserves much more credit than some people are willing to give him.

I think perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought you meant it was 50/50 between them on any given day.

No, I'm not saying that. He dominated Federer in the two sets you mentioned, and played the better tennis all day long. What I was saying was that Federer was playing really poorly and he still pushed Djokovic close for the match, so the idea that they were 50/50 on any given day didn't make sense to me. I wouldn't like to see too much being read into one performance, or a world ranking.

As good as Djokovic was, I don't think he had a massive amount more to give, whereas Federer was about as bad as he'll be at that stage of a slam. And that's where his experience of winning helps him. Experience that Djokovic doesn't have as of yet, but if he keeps imposing himself the way he did at the weekend then he probably will.

I think Djokovic is frustrating to many fans as he looks like he has the shots but his mental game lets him down. It looks a real struggle out there for him at times, and being able to grind out wins - as he did Saturday - is one of the most important parts of being a Grand Slam winner.
 
I think the ATP position reflects it all quite well. Take for example Ana Ivanovic, she was No1 for a minute, right form, right tournaments, weak competition, etc, but then she simply vanished down to who knows where, 50 or something, where she actually belongs. You don't stay up there if you're not good, simple as that.

In respect to the men's ATP, Djokovic's record is simply impressive, for someone with such issues (lack of fitness, mental crap) to be holding the No3 position for years, that's quite something, imo.

I think Im not sure what you mean by 'Federer playing poorly' because it sounds as if Federer lost because he played poor- which he did, but at the same time if Djokovic would have lost you would have said it was not because he played poorly but because Federer was superb. Do you know what I mean?

Djokovic has definitely got some issues unusual for a world-class player, he has extreme fitness problems which ultimately lead to mental problems, as you lose confidence and focus the more tired you get. I don't know if he will ever be able to sort this out, maybe he is just physically conditioned and his body simply cannot give more. So 'grinding it out' as you phrased it, is then even more remarkable considering how much he has achieved. I bet he's sometimes thinking damn, I wish I had the energy of any of the top 5 to 15 players, Id be unbreakable.

Needless to say he's still young and could always improve technically. But here's another thing, how do you develop a deadly serve if you're just not strong enough. It seems Federer can always gather the neccessary energy to burst a few aces and just quickly wrap up a game. The same thing seems to be completely unthinkable for Djokovic.
 
I think the ATP position reflects it all quite well. Take for example Ana Ivanovic, she was No1 for a minute, right form, right tournaments, weak competition, etc, but then she simply vanished down to who knows where, 50 or something, where she actually belongs. You don't stay up there if you're not good, simple as that.

In respect to the men's ATP, Djokovic's record is simply impressive, for someone with such issues (lack of fitness, mental crap) to be holding the No3 position for years, that's quite something, imo.

I think Im not sure what you mean by 'Federer playing poorly' because it sounds as if Federer lost because he played poor- which he did, but at the same time if Djokovic would have lost you would have said it was not because he played poorly but because Federer was superb. Do you know what I mean?

Djokovic has definitely got some issues unusual for a world-class player, he has extreme fitness problems which ultimately lead to mental problems, as you lose confidence and focus the more tired you get. I don't know if he will ever be able to sort this out, maybe he is just physically conditioned and his body simply cannot give more. So 'grinding it out' as you phrased it, is then even more remarkable considering how much he has achieved. I bet he's sometimes thinking damn, I wish I had the energy of any of the top 5 to 15 players, Id be unbreakable.

Needless to say he's still young and could always improve technically. But here's another thing, how do you develop a deadly serve if you're just not strong enough. It seems Federer can always gather the neccessary energy to burst a few aces and just quickly wrap up a game. The same thing seems to be completely unthinkable for Djokovic.
Just look at Nadal. He had a truly shocking serve. But he's really put long hours into improving his serve and look at it now. Broken just twice all tournament and he's been serving regularly in the 130's which one year back I would have never imagined he could.
 
Not really disappointed that I miss this Nadal will win in straight sets
 
Just look at Nadal. He had a truly shocking serve. But he's really put long hours into improving his serve and look at it now. Broken just twice all tournament and he's been serving regularly in the 130's which one year back I would have never imagined he could.

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I think the ATP position reflects it all quite well. Take for example Ana Ivanovic, she was No1 for a minute, right form, right tournaments, weak competition, etc, but then she simply vanished down to who knows where, 50 or something, where she actually belongs. You don't stay up there if you're not good, simple as that.

In respect to the men's ATP, Djokovic's record is simply impressive, for someone with such issues (lack of fitness, mental crap) to be holding the No3 position for years, that's quite something, imo.

I think Im not sure what you mean by 'Federer playing poorly' because it sounds as if Federer lost because he played poor- which he did, but at the same time if Djokovic would have lost you would have said it was not because he played poorly but because Federer was superb. Do you know what I mean?

Djokovic has definitely got some issues unusual for a world-class player, he has extreme fitness problems which ultimately lead to mental problems, as you lose confidence and focus the more tired you get. I don't know if he will ever be able to sort this out, maybe he is just physically conditioned and his body simply cannot give more. So 'grinding it out' as you phrased it, is then even more remarkable considering how much he has achieved. I bet he's sometimes thinking damn, I wish I had the energy of any of the top 5 to 15 players, Id be unbreakable.

Needless to say he's still young and could always improve technically. But here's another thing, how do you develop a deadly serve if you're just not strong enough. It seems Federer can always gather the neccessary energy to burst a few aces and just quickly wrap up a game. The same thing seems to be completely unthinkable for Djokovic.

No, I wouldn't argue that Djokovic is a very good player. But the next step is to be better than that and win Slams.

No, I don't necessarily think I would have said that unless it was the case. Federer's my favourite player, I won't deny that, but I don't think he wins every match by brilliance. For instance last month in the final he deserved to lose to Djokovic and didn't. It was just that mental experience of winning that dragged him through.

In this match I'd say it was 60% Djokovic playing well and 40% Federer not. That takes nothing away from Djokovic but had he played a in-form Federer he would have found it more difficult to impose himself as he did (though I'm not saying he wouldn't have).

I don't know enough as to why he struggles physically to comment, to be honets. All I know is that he clearly does, and if it isn't something within his control then yes, of course he's doing well to be where he is. But if it's a case of him not doing something or not doing enough then it's something he needs to sort out.
 
USTA need to do one...get a freaking roof for centre court already...and don't tell be about cost/logistics/atmosphere.

The Aussie open is superb for this...Wimbledon and others need to get the hint.

:confused: Wimbledon does have a roof on center court? Only Roland Garros and the US Open don't.
 
USO really needs to get a roof. 3rd final in a row that's been postponed now.
 
Knowing our luck it will start raining 47 mins before Kickoff like last night :mad:
 
Four more hours to go. Whats the weather in NY at the moment?

As of right now, the sun is out, not that it matters much.

As much as it annoys everyone, looking at the shape of the stadium, and the way it fans out, so the top tier is really, really steep, it's gonna be a hell of a job(and probably a lot of money) putting a roof over it.
 
As of right now, the sun is out, not that it matters much.

As much as it annoys everyone, looking at the shape of the stadium, and the way it fans out, so the top tier is really, really steep, it's gonna be a hell of a job(and probably a lot of money) putting a roof over it.

Not sure where you're sitting but it looks overcast in midtown.
 
The angle at which the photo is taken makes him look more of a Hulk than he is :lol: