It's the signing I'm most excited about this season Brophs! Him and Carrick are going to run the show big time.
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It's the signing I'm most excited about this season Brophs! Him and Carrick are going to run the show big time.
Yeah, he's a cracking player. It'll also be nice to support a player I actually like, as opposed to players I wouldn't mind seeing fall into a boiling vat of herpes.
feck me, I get it already! I've posted an unpopular opinion in the "unpopular opinion thread". My bad....I'll burn in hell.
People who get offended whenever religion or religious behaviour is criticized.
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Pereira is much better fit for our system than Depay.
Valencia will be our first choice right back this season. Unfortunately.
I can see Adnan having a poor season again, as long as LVG is here and maybe a Guardiola after him, seriously I dont even think he will reach the levels in his debut season. He needs to play at a club which allows him a lot of freedom and plays more direct / counter football than we do. Hope he gets loaned to the Bundesliga because of that.
We will bring in a new LB next summer.. someone with great ability going forwards
LVG doesn't quite rate Herrera as highly as we do. He will spend a fair amount of the season on the bench as other players get picked ahead of him in the AM spot and won't be as central to the side as we might like.
Also, last season gave us a false impression of Herrera's goalscoring ability, he won't continue to score at that rate.
Also, last season gave us a false impression of Herrera's goalscoring ability, he won't continue to score at that rate.
James Wilson isn't good enough, neither is Januzaj.
Not unpopular with me. Felt the hype was overextended during a nightmare campaign under Moyes. The boy did superbly vs Sunderland but there weren't any other standout performances, just glances of serious potential. Meaningless goals vs Newcastle Hope I'm wrong but all signs so far suggest I'm not. Still there's hope he could work well under Louis eventually in an advanced role.
Speaking of which - I think Fellaini will make a good defensive striker under van Gaal's system in a 4-3-3. Far better than spending £32.5m on Benteke would have done considering neither would replace Rooney and one would burn a hole in our wallet for it.
I think with missing the first 3 league games due to suspension, his realistic game time in the short term is to feature as a substitute central forward barring a collapse of midfield injuries now.
Januzaj had that one performance last year where he came on at half time and completely changed the game for us -- other than that, I can't think of anything. I know he's young, but he's in the same age bracket as Sterling and Depay yet nowhere near their level (as of yet). I'm also not sure what kind of player he is. Not fast enough to be a winger (in the traditional sense), so a no.10? Can't see him getting games in that positon for us.
I think Fellaini will get plenty of game time this season. He's still our most physical player and can be very effective against certain PL sides who park the bus.
My God that is terrifying. Imagine having a £28m player that's so shit you have to play him off the bench as a defensive striker. Mind boggling decision to buy him
Even in Moyes' year he only really excelled in a match-winning style away at Sunderland. He obviously had good moments in other games but re; match deciding moments, that was it really. His other 2 goals were meaningless finishing blows to already beaten opponents and that lead to a falsehood of the next Ronaldo tag when quite frankly, he's never been close to that moniker for me personally.
But before the fanboys leach on and attack us, I'm not knocking him per se there, I'm digging at the overhype that was lost in context of a nightmare season and latched onto as the poster boy from the only ray of hope there was left.
All I can knock Januzaj on as a player is a complete failure in match awareness and decision making 95/100. His technique, blend of increasing physicality, good speed and ability to continually try the killer move in spite of all shortcomings before are very good qualities. But they were also Nani's qualities. Individually the raw attributes were superb at times but the application was what cost him ultimately.
I can see Januzaj working well and growing into a very good player in a fluid 4-2-3-1 as one of the 3 or a transitional counter attacking style like Klopp's BVB were. That said, united offer neither right now and as you point out, he has offered nothing like the level of previous status comparables in Sterling, Memphis etc.
I'm well aware he's a young player developing and I hope he improves his application for us, I really do.
Except we probably wouldn't have got into the CL this season without his contribution last season.
Not as bad as it sounds, he has 8 goals in his last 13 matches for club and country I think. That's form people would be raving over Rooney for.
No defender would fancy marking him and he'd be able to dominate all DM's not called Matic coming short for all long balls too.
He'd take at least 2 people out of the game most of the time and then would leave space for others around him to work in.
His movement is underrated too. I believe it to be equal, if not better than Benteke.
We will finish 4th again.
I think Depay will turn out a disappointment. I can't shake the dutch Zaha feeling about him.
It's a giddy novelty watching United be so active and so impressive in the transfer market, but with likely 5 (or even 6 if DDG goes) new players in our starting line up come August, is a serious title challenge a realistic prospect against the likes of Chelsea who have a settled winning team? Has any team ever won the league following so many changes?
Adding no more players to our squad will give us our best chance of challenging.
Think you'll be pleasantly surprised. He's got loads of talent and is already a very good player, far ahead what zaha ever was. Can't see him being anything but a success at united.
Can't believe anyone that saw him vs Norwich in the cup iirc would hold this opinion about him.
He had very good matches vs Aston Villa (Home and away), Sunderland at home (Under Giggs?), Sunderland in the league cup too I can remember at least.
If he can't reliably make it into the team under Van Gaal - who is famous for spotting potential stars and featuring young players he deems worthy - he probably really isn't all that great.
Fellaini was very effective some of the time, but overall probably less than you would expect from a CM signed for 27M a month shy of his 26th birthday. That's what Vidal went for this week at just 15 months older. If we'd signed Cabaye or Rakitic in the summer of 13 (I don't remember what other CMs moved then) I don't think we'd have dropped from 70 down to less than the 64 needed to finish 4th.
Januzaj is a considerably more talented than Depay, with a lot more in the locker.
Depay is an excellent finisher with physical traits that can propel him into something quite special, but he doesn't have it. A notch below.
Depay is an excellent finisher with physical traits that can propel him into something quite special, but he doesn't have it. A notch below.
Neither does Januzaj for me. No idea how Januzaj is a notch above Depay, but I guess that's what the thread is for.
My own opinion is that Januzaj's nothing special.
Based on what exactly? Technical ability on it's own or actually putting your talent to use and winning matches, points, trophies and such for your team?
I'm aware that the statement itself is heavily subjective by its own nature so I'm just trying to figure out your logic. To me, a statement of that magnitude can only be made based on the evidence to hand and the application of the player as a whole entity seeing as you've not specified a particular area.
Memphis is a year older, has played twice as league many games, scored nearly 10x as many club goals - both in a weaker league granted but still, the application of the player cannot be faulted. He has also scored twice in the World Cup and played a significant part in his team finishing third in the competition. He is a league and cup winner, top goalscorer in the division and U17 European championship winner.
Januzaj has come through our reserve set up, won player of the year and broke through under Moyes. He had a handful of good matches and 1 match winning game vs Sunderland. He has had good individual moments in 45 league appearances for United but on the whole, suffered badly with loss of form and effectiveness in 2014/15 season. 4 goals in total, 1 Community Shield, 6 caps for Belgium and that's about it.
On the small sample size, the evidence is in Memphis' favour so far, though that may change 3,5,10 years down the line. Even if you take trophies and personal accolades away, Memphis is still standing out. I'm wondering how you can draw a conclusion quite like that from the limited sample size of both players' careers to date.
But as said in the post before this, this thread is about unpopular opinions and that, to me at least, is one. Just trying to work out how you've made that call so far.
Nah, I think Januzaj is special. He has a grace and balance you don't see very often. His dribbling and ball control is inherently exceptional, and when he's confident, something that comes with game time and consistency, we'll see these traits demonstrated more regularly and to devastating effect.
I think Januzaj can be one of the best attackers in world football over the coming decade, and I think he'll be one of the most interesting to watch, too. Probably unpopular, certainly brave, but that's the name of the thread.
When played centrally, I think his dribbling and turn of pace, working alongside his ability to pick a pass, can make for a very unique kind of #10.
Ability as a standalone product. I think he has more. I think he has traits that Depay doesn't have and doesn't look like possessing. But they're very different players, and I expect Depay to be more of a goalscoring threat, something that is equally as impressive.
Comparative analysis regarding their club career's will always favour Depay. He's had regular game time due to playing at PSV. Januzaj hasn't had that opportunity.
There isn't a great deal to say other than what I've already covered above. I'm no scout or football brainchild, but I simply look at the pair of them and see a higher ceiling in Januzaj.
Rooney is going to score a maximum of 15 goals in all competitions next season even if he's our first choice and plays almost every game up front.
He'll play like 50 games in all competitions, I dont rate Rooney but with penalties included he'll certainly reach that figure. Dont think he'll get 20-30 league goals tho, I think he's in the poorest form of his career.
Wasn't he taken off penalties though?
That's true, completely forgot. Still think he'll manage 15 goals in all competions.
Agreed. And on the non-penalty related stuff in previous post. Still good enough to lead the line for us in the time being but ultimately when we're after titles, he's replaceable for an elite player.
Not sure, I think we'll be after titles next season already. Not that we're good enough for that imo, but I think its the target already.
Chelsea and City have overtaken us with regards to youth. Ignoring track records/history and looking at the quality of young players at the clubs, I cant help but feel far more excited (if that is the right term for a rival player) about some of the prospects coming through, whilst with our own youth teams I just dont feel that buzz.
I watched City vs Roma today and Iheanacho, Denayer, Barker, Lopes and Garcia all looked top notch. Chelsea have a great collection of some of the best youngsters in the country as well. Meanwhile who do we have who is forcing their way into the first team squad? McNair, Wilson, Pereira - good players all, but (especially with the latter two) I feel that if they had the potential to really reach the top level, they would have forced the managers hand a bit by now with their performances. When Januzaj broke through 2 years ago was the last time I had that real buzz and excitement about a young player, but he stagnated completely last season and suddenly we are talking about loan moves.
We as a club and as fans are too blinded by our (and other clubs) history and track records. Just because City and Chelsea have not historically been any good at bringing through youngsters in recent years, does not mean that they cannot and will not start to do so now. I was reading Bluemoon while watching the Roma game and there was genuine acknowledgement that their current crop has a real chance of making it into the first team over the next 1-2 years. Clearly the mandate at those clubs is now to look a bit more towards developing their own talent, now that they are established as fairly big European clubs.
I watched City vs Roma today and Iheanacho, Denayer, Barker, Lopes and Garcia all looked top notch. Chelsea have a great collection of some of the best youngsters in the country as well. Meanwhile who do we have who is forcing their way into the first team squad? McNair, Wilson, Pereira - good players all, but (especially with the latter two) I feel that if they had the potential to really reach the top level, they would have forced the managers hand a bit by now with their performances. When Januzaj broke through 2 years ago was the last time I had that real buzz and excitement about a young player, but he stagnated completely last season and suddenly we are talking about loan moves.
We as a club and as fans are too blinded by our (and other clubs) history and track records. Just because City and Chelsea have not historically been any good at bringing through youngsters in recent years, does not mean that they cannot and will not start to do so now. I was reading Bluemoon while watching the Roma game and there was genuine acknowledgement that their current crop has a real chance of making it into the first team over the next 1-2 years. Clearly the mandate at those clubs is now to look a bit more towards developing their own talent, now that they are established as fairly big European clubs.
Both Januzaj and Wilson won't make the grade at United.
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