Wes Brown provided an assist with his left foot in a Champions League Final, have some respect.
Unpopular (AKA fickle) opinion time on AWB.....
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Really bad signing. Doesn’t say a lot for Ole or the scouting set up. He’s got some good qualities and 1v1 he’s amazing but for us that shouldn’t be a high priority.
Yep people were way too quick to deem those signings as successful. I’d swap all of them out easily right now.
I have been thinking about O'Shea lately. He would be our best defender today.
He's 22 and I think he'll learn. He was very good last season, he has a glaring weakness at the back post - not sure if awareness can be coached into you but I hope it can. Attacking wise, he was improving towards the end of last season, was doing the basics right. I'll reserve judgement for now.
Imagine conceding a mere 3 more goals than the dippers and 1 more than citeh, yet giving up on our defence after a run of 16 matches in the premier league with only 1 loss (on opening day with no preseason whatsoever).
Incredibly knee jerk.
Incredibly knee jerk.
Won the Champions League with Wes Brown providing an assist in the final. Brown was great.
How depressing is that.
Tuanzebe I personally wouldn't play at RB but he could do a job there in a emergency situation but he's not a RB and has had some very poor games playing that position for Villa on loan. He's not lacking in pace though and is arguably even quicker than AWB IMO.
Solskjaer has to turn his attention to Ethan Laird who is a fullback that suits playing in a progressive play style IMO. The only issue with him is injuries too, but if he can overcome the niggles then he has the potential to become the starting RB at the club and it would help us immensely to progress play from deeper areas of the pitch which is a big issue right now IMO.
As I’ve said, one of the worst players I’ve seen at United.
I’ve genuinely seen more technical full backs in Irish League.
I’ve genuinely seen more technical full backs in Irish League.
The problem isn't the scouts but rather the club hierarchy giving too much power to the manager when it comes to recruitment. So we as a club allow the manager to set the short term and longterm goals which has been a major factor in our fall from grace. You don't sign players like AWB and Maguire if the plan is to implement a high pressure play style which Ole implemented for several years at Molde. He's quite frankly got these two signings wrong IMO and it's one of the reasons why we struggle to effectively advance play from deeper.
Mate, I felt really bad towards you last yet when you kept telling us that AWB wasn’t the right signing. Don’t get me wrong, it was nothing personal, on the contrary, I wanted success but AWB has not only disappointed, he has managed to be the worst signing since Bebe, Tosic, etc etc..
To say he was very good last year is a stretch. His overall limitations were very apparent and he had a few genuinely poor performances.
Tbh with you mate i'm just very disappointed with how we've wasted our money on players who don't suit playing in a team that should be playing in a proactive, imposing manner. You're one of the posters that I get on with and have always had a good rapport with and I will never argue with you mate even if you criticize me. But I cannot understand why he (Ole) decided to sign two players who are unsuited to playing a brand of football that he wants to implement.
But I hope I'm wrong and i'm sure many will disagree with me but until Ole sorts the fullback and CB conundrum out our midfield and attack won't function well because everything is intertwined from back to front. And there is some solutions already at the club that he should take a chance on if we're to become a more imposing, proactive team going forward.
Remember all those posts "All Ole's signing are great"?
Very true. Actually lot of people called this last year. We could have spent that 130m smartly and would still end up with change.
Ole is the one to blame.
He kept getting sucked in to the centre back and leaving that ball on to the far post all match, surely that was his awareness or lack of and not coaching tactic. And then when we went 5 at the back I thought this should sort that but nope, soon enough wan bissaka was about a foot from Bailly near the 6 yard box basically doing nothing and there’s the free man at the back post again.
I think he’s great at one on one tackling or sticking a foot in and not many will get passed him, other parts of his game are seriously lacking though
I think he’s great at one on one tackling or sticking a foot in and not many will get passed him, other parts of his game are seriously lacking though
Had a good season last year, but we badly overpaid for him and are probably stuck.
Needs good coach to get the best out of him by putting a system that hides his flaws. We don’t appear to have that.
Williams or Laird should put him under pressure next season
Needs good coach to get the best out of him by putting a system that hides his flaws. We don’t appear to have that.
Williams or Laird should put him under pressure next season
These aren't one off performances. He has been shite for quite a while now.Imagine conceding a mere 3 more goals than the dippers and 1 more than citeh, yet giving up on our defence after a run of 16 matches in the premier league with only 1 loss (on opening day with no preseason whatsoever).
Incredibly knee jerk.
He was great that season but in his early 20s he was diabolical at times.
This is a bit bizarre. What do you want?Remember all those posts "All Ole's signing are great"?
He's not a top level full-back lets be honest. We don't need prime Cafu/Dani Alves from RB but AWB technical deficiencies are really hampering our build up play. His first touch doesn't allow him to face play, so he's facing his RCB, technical full-backs can pop it inside to the CM or open up and go down the wing, or hit the striker. AWB has to pass back every time. In attacking transistions, it's blatantly obvious what he is trying to do.
For now, he's not a major problem. Every now and again, he will stick in a decent cross. Defensive wise, he's pretty much spot on 1 v 1. Yesterday though, it was like the game had been set up to allow March to get a run in at the back post and United were in on the training ground session. The amount of space they got down the left time and time again was baffling. I'm not sure he's got much of a football brain AWB, he doesn't read the game well or follow his man. His physical attributes bail him out a lot.
An upgrade is needed further down the line. Clearly Dalot is not rated at the club so can't see it being him. Let's start to transition Williams to RB and give him a go there in the cups. Hopefully Laird can stay injury free, heard good things about him but nothing is a cert.
For now, he's not a major problem. Every now and again, he will stick in a decent cross. Defensive wise, he's pretty much spot on 1 v 1. Yesterday though, it was like the game had been set up to allow March to get a run in at the back post and United were in on the training ground session. The amount of space they got down the left time and time again was baffling. I'm not sure he's got much of a football brain AWB, he doesn't read the game well or follow his man. His physical attributes bail him out a lot.
An upgrade is needed further down the line. Clearly Dalot is not rated at the club so can't see it being him. Let's start to transition Williams to RB and give him a go there in the cups. Hopefully Laird can stay injury free, heard good things about him but nothing is a cert.
Definitely need to upgrade the right back position. Feel AWB could be used as a defensive midfielder shielding the back 4.
I'd prefer Williams or TFM as RB to Laird. I was convinced Williams is a LB, but Laird is not a solution either.
In recent games, Laird made tons of defensive mistake. His positioning is worse than AWB, i can imagine he will be humiliated by Wingers in PL. He was good last season, but that's beacause we didn't played against elite youth teams. This season, he is being exposed by more mature players.
I wouldn’t blame the scouting setup. The blame lies with the “buy British” mentality that we had last summer. Thank God we seem to be getting away from that senseless mentality.
If he keeps making the same mistakes over and over this season, just sell him and cut our losses.
Could look at Lamptey as a possible replacement if he has a good season.
Could look at Lamptey as a possible replacement if he has a good season.
Mostly he doesn’t have a good “football brain”. He doesn’t sense danger, or movement ahead of him. Last year we thought he had a good year, specially when comparing him to Ashley Young. But he is miles from what we need. IMHO, we need a RB more than we do a LB. But unfortunately, because we overpaid for him, we are stuck with him for some time.
He looks bad cos of Lindelof’s weaknesses and the lack of threat from whoever is playing in front of him. Put Sancho on our right and I’m pretty sure he gets a lot more space to cross, create width, or provide more thrust from Sancho’s ability with one twos, vision and creativity. Least of our problems.
I agree with the Lindelof thing. The attack has been targeted twice on the same side by two different clubs not because of our RB but because of our RCB. Wan Bissaka to me is not a player who currently plays in his own channel but is made to play more narrow because Lindelof invites the pressure on to him. The lack of heading, the lack of tackles - if maguire was on AWB side as a RCB then I dont see Wan Bissaka cutting in all the time to be so narrow and try to help out with the defending unless Maguire needed that.
Lindelof and AWB on that side of the field just blows in general. AWB was a great defender last year but he looks pathetic this season so far and Lindelof even worse. Combine that with Greenwood playing on the RW (not many defensive duties and obviously he can learn to be better at it in the future) and we're completely fecked there for the foreseeable future. I knew when we signed him that he wouldn't contribute to the attack (at least early on) but why has he forgot how to defend?
Cut our losses while we can , we made a mistake accept it rectify it while he still have some value in the market.
that's something that is happening with United on a regular basis. Players come in, they are initially great then their performance dip. It happened to Bailly, Rojo, Pogba, Lukaku, Di Maria and now to AWB, Maguire and Bruno as well. Which makes you wonder if its down to coaching.
He is only good in 1vs1 situations and even then, sometimes he'll slide tackle when he doesn't need to.
He is woeful aerially, woeful at ball carrying, woeful at reading play, woeful at passing out of a press, average 1st touch, etc.
We've been utterly fleeced by Palace.
Then people will say that if Ole gets the sack, he should be the DOF. People have lost their minds lately.
He is woeful aerially, woeful at ball carrying, woeful at reading play, woeful at passing out of a press, average 1st touch, etc.
We've been utterly fleeced by Palace.
Then people will say that if Ole gets the sack, he should be the DOF. People have lost their minds lately.
We are neither getting the best out of Maguire nor AwB. The manager sticking to that defensive partnership when it clearly has glaring weaknesses is mind boggling.
The reality is that we shouldn't have bought either of them at least not at that price. AWB is great defensively but the times of purely defensive FBs had been over since Parker. We also have Shaw who is not great going forward either which means zero creativity from defence. Meanwhile slab head is slow which means that If we bought him we were always having to go back to buy another CB that adds some pace to the partnership. Its hard for a manager to ask for money for more defenders after previously spending 130m in that same department
Having said that there seem to be something wrong with United that predates ole. Players come here, they do well and then their performance drop. We need to address that
His last ditch tackling is fantastic, but I feel he doesn't need to get into that position in the first place. He seems to give players space just so he can make that last ditch tackle. He can close people down before that.
There was a moment in about the 92nd minute when it was still 2-1 and he deliberately let the player run and then made a last ditch tackle to give away a corner. I fully expected Dunk to score. There was absolutely no need for it. He could have closed it down ages before and stopped any chance of a corner.
There was a moment in about the 92nd minute when it was still 2-1 and he deliberately let the player run and then made a last ditch tackle to give away a corner. I fully expected Dunk to score. There was absolutely no need for it. He could have closed it down ages before and stopped any chance of a corner.
We could do with some top quality world class coaches. Very few players improve at United.
His one on one defending was still very good yesterday imo, but his marking and positioning was completely off.
Well exactly. I kind of feel like saying I’ll only do really important stuff when you’re fecking on fire and you need to get put out.
Hint: he gave away 10 charges to March. Diabolical.
It's pointless trying to sign top top players unless we coach them adequately to fulfil and maintain their full potential. There's something wrong in our coaching/fitness team. Players's form tend to dip, their fitness levels are often not good enough and players tend to vanish in the treatment room never to be seen again. Not to forget players like DDG and Mata who look set for retirement. It shouldn't be the case.
As said that has nothing to do with Ole. It's been a problem since Moyes time. I dare to say that some aspects about it was there since the last years of Sir Alex's time (the twins, Jones, Smalling etc)
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Normally the mistake he did yesterday can be counted as learning progress but he's been doing it countless times which is why I gave 6/10 to him last season par below Maguire & Bruno. And clearly even after all of those mistakes he made, he still hasn't learn a thing or two yesterday.
He was really truly a former winger after all, lack of awareness, no sense of danger at all, lack of concentration and obviously got no clue who to mark. Although I expect Lindelof who is playing next to him & DDG who is our keeper to say something about it and telling him that you are marking the wrong players which what I expect from my centre back & keeper in my Sunday League. And being honest myself I started to have my doubt that Bissaka will even make it longer here, he lacks the basic and I think Williams & Laird can take over him being the club's long term right back.
He was really truly a former winger after all, lack of awareness, no sense of danger at all, lack of concentration and obviously got no clue who to mark. Although I expect Lindelof who is playing next to him & DDG who is our keeper to say something about it and telling him that you are marking the wrong players which what I expect from my centre back & keeper in my Sunday League. And being honest myself I started to have my doubt that Bissaka will even make it longer here, he lacks the basic and I think Williams & Laird can take over him being the club's long term right back.