United wages higher than Chelsea

He won't take a 50% paycut, you'll end up doing an Adebayor and subsidising his wages if you want rid (and he's got over 2 years of his 5-year contract left).
 
Jesus, £18m & £120,000 pw for young who had a year left on his contract.

What were we thinking.
 
He he he. Folk getting paid millions a year for kicking a bag of wind around a pitch. I'm sure we're living in the Twilight Zone.

They're not getting paid millions for kicking a bag of wind around, they're getting paid millions because we're all stupid enough to watch them do it every weekend.
 
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Wages are the big killer these days and not fees. I reckon that we'll see plenty of players leaving United to make space to new ones
 
Jesus, £18m & £120,000 pw for young who had a year left on his contract.

What were we thinking.

He is British, he was having the best season of his career, he can play on both flanks and upfront and he was ready to accept the bench. Looking back it was a mistake
 
I could save over 6 million per year by selling Young and I'm quite sure we would notice an improvement in results.

Interesting point: Why would Ashley Young leave us when nobody else will play him that.
This is the problem. We would have to subsidise his wages to any buying club - but that's better than paying the full whack for a useless tool.
 
They're not getting paid millions for kicking a bag of wind around, they're getting paid millions because we're all stupid enough to watch them do it every weekend.

We ought to take interest in emerging sports like 'snail sprinting' instead.
 
I hate to say it, but there's truth in that.

I don't want to turn this into a Welbeck v Hernandez or Moyes' tactics thread, but I think Hernandez would be a massive loss. With more interchange his verve and movement is a lot of goals. No striker in the side moves as deliberately as him.

But yeah, there's deadwood to clear and some of it is going to be more stubborn than we'd like.

Edit: Cleared up confusing sentence structure.

I'll be interested to see where Hernandez ends up. He's too small and doesn't have the all round game to lead the line solo for a top end side imo. Which is unfortunate as almost everyone plays one up front. But play him in a front 2 with a player who can hold the ball up and he'll score a lot of goals.

Think he'd fit in well with how Juventus play but again he'd be second choice to Tevez.
 
He is British, he was having the best season of his career, he can play on both flanks and upfront and he was ready to accept the bench. Looking back it was a mistake

I don't doubt the logic of signing him, i thought he was a good player at villa, and would have been a good squad player here.

But the figures involved in signing him were way too high for me even at the time, we could have probably got a far better foreign player for the same outlay in wages and fee.
 
Not surprising since Chelsea loaned out about 30 players or so and United had to pay out bonuses for winning the league.

Prudent approach my ass. Since when is it prudent to not buy players like Benayoun and giving them at least 80k per week or keeping players like Ferreira on similar wages for years without using them. Last season they bought 8 players for over 90m and loaned out half of them. There's a lot more wages on their books than United do. A big reason they sold Mata was a financial one.
 
You sure mate, i remember when we signed cantona he was on about £20,000 a week that was 92, wasn't ravenelli on about £50,000 at middlesbrough in 97.

Though i could be remembering it all wrong i was 10 when we signed Eric.

If it was £8,000 that would make my 20 year projection even crazier.

When we tried to sign Babbel in 1996 I think we refused to pay him the 20-25k a week he wanted. Fergie said that was what the likes of Cantona were getting. So I guess that tells us what our higher wages were even later than that. It's only when we gave Keane that bumper new deal in late 1999 - and then other players as well - that we broke our wage structure. We certainly were skimpy with wages when others, even the likes of Boro, were paying a lot more.
 
When we tried to sign Babbel in 1996 I think we refused to pay him the 20-25k a week he wanted. Fergie said that was what the likes of Cantona were getting. So I guess that tells us what our higher wages were even later than that. It's only when we gave Keane that bumper new deal in late 1999 - and then other players as well - that we broke our wage structure. We certainly were skimpy with wages when others, even the likes of Boro, were paying a lot more.


Yeah i over estimated what we were paying our players in 1994 BarneyLFC set me right though, remember well the likes of boro paying crazy wages to players like ravanelli and boksic, only way anyone half decent would go up there to be fair.

I remember the babbel saga well was a common theme back then with the wage structure made us miss out on a lot of talent, can't remember who it was might have been cruyff said he couldn't believe we didn't pay any player more than £25k when we did the treble.

Heard a few rumours over the years that Fergie encouraged Keane in his contract dispute and wage demands because he wanted the PLC's wage cap broken, makes sense in hindsight because shortly after we signed RVN and Veron for big wages.
 
Not surprising since Chelsea loaned out about 30 players or so and United had to pay out bonuses for winning the league.
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Chelsea loans is a startling oversight.

There are ways this summer could progress where we write 500k+ off the wage bill, hell there are ways we could write 700k off just by selling a few underachievers. That's something I'd very much like to see. Names in my mind are Rio,Vida,Evra,Young,RVP,Nani. All players who could leave and I wouldn't care too much. There's a lot of money being spent on players who will hopefully not be a big part of the squad next season
 
Young isn't on 6m. Don't believe that at all. Hardly going to bring someone of that level in and make him one of the top earners at a club who, at the time, had 4 or 5 world class players and a few very good ones. Once the media decide on a figure, everyone thinks it's gospel.
 
This is the problem. We would have to subsidise his wages to any buying club - but that's better than paying the full whack for a useless tool.
Yeah, I was thinking about that today--that it'd take subsidizing his wages. I just don't think know he'd agree to a transfer without going a year with only a bit part role. Him leaving is a two part equation and how much he's been playing is probably going to keep him on the squad and on the wage bill for a other year.
 
Read somewhere that Young had bonuses payed on the length of his contract, must be on £80k max. Next year a lot of high earners will go, players like Rio or Vidic and Evra must all be on more than £100k.
 
Is football not part of the entertainment business...?
Lets face it entertainers earn ridiculous amounts, the only problem here is our own entertainers are not entertaining enough... I'll question their earnings based on the quality of the entertainment on offer now coz at present all they seem to do is fluff their lines...
 
He is British, he was having the best season of his career, he can play on both flanks and upfront and he was ready to accept the bench. Looking back it was a mistake
I've never understood why being British should make any difference. What is the rationale behind that?
 
I'd expect ours to drop next season, with plenty of big earners contracts expiring. Though depending on who we bring in that may change.
 
I've never understood why being British should make any difference. What is the rationale behind that?

Selling clubs add a premium tax when it comes to offloading their British players, the agent will look at it and say if your paying that premium you can afford the additional wages. It's part of the reason big clubs scout all over the globe bring in the foreign talent, who'll end up as good if not better for half the price.
 
It shows you how ridiculous football has become when £115 million was the highest wage bill in the world 10 years ago and now 3 of the clubs in this league alone have wage bills standing at around 150% or more that number. Incredible.
Its actually not that ridiculous. 115 million becoming 233 million over 10 years is a growth of 7% per anum. While certainly above the EU growth rate and inflation, it isn't exactly mindblowingly high.
 
I searched this Fellaini 125k wage thing and the only source I could get is a Daily Express news report. Well done guys.
 
I've never understood why being British should make any difference. What is the rationale behind that?

a) he's got more chance in settling down in Manchester
b) there are various EPL and CL rules which promote the use of homegrown talent and which we must abide to.
c) Players tend to accept the bench more if they see the club they play with as home.
 
I don't doubt the logic of signing him, i thought he was a good player at villa, and would have been a good squad player here.

But the figures involved in signing him were way too high for me even at the time, we could have probably got a far better foreign player for the same outlay in wages and fee.

I am not saying that he wasnt a mistake. I am merely saying what were the reasons why we may have signed him.
 
Young isn't on 6m. Don't believe that at all. Hardly going to bring someone of that level in and make him one of the top earners at a club who, at the time, had 4 or 5 world class players and a few very good ones. Once the media decide on a figure, everyone thinks it's gospel.

He was by far the best paid player at Villa, at a time when they were paying player's like Cuellar £45k a week.

According to most sources at the time he was on over £65k a week and Villa had an offer on the table that would have increased that by quite a bit. Assuming he was offered £80k to stay at Villa it wouldn't be stupid to suggest we offered £100k+ to top their offer.

Remember also that Liverpool were trying to sign Young at the same time and their second choice Downing ended up being paid £85k a week.

I think it was just a monumental balls up by Fergie.
 
Oh but when will the Glazer's start spending money on the team!!!?!!?!?!


(wait..was I suppose to leave it five minutes?)
 
These wage figures being thrown about, are they confirmed? Would be very interesting to know the actual,

Also does Chelsea's 'wage figure' include the 15 football teams they have on loan?
 
Why would it? If Chelsea did not pay the wages, they're not on the wage bill.

Because they still own the player, Chelsea pay their salaries and reimbursed by the club on loan, hence it's still an initial cost for Chelsea, they recoup it obviously (for this season), but it doesn't change the fact surely?
 
CBA to read right through this thread but has it been mentioned yet that we have quite a few players who were not only paid well because they deserved it but are also now in the last years of their contracts after numerous performance related extensions and loyalty bonuses?

The likes of Rio, Rooney, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Nani, Fletcher and Giggs have all been here for years and their contracts will reflect that and will reflect their peak level playing for us even if their current performance or ability doesn't.

Added to that the likes of Mata, Van Persie, Kagawa ect ect and it's no surprise we're paying high wages. We're paying the wages you expect to pay the Champions which they are. Any discussion about "7th place" and whatever is for another thread though and is entirely irrelevant because that wasn't in consideration when these contracts were agreed.
 
Because they still own the player, Chelsea pay their salaries and reimbursed by the club on loan, hence it's still an initial cost for Chelsea, they recoup it obviously (for this season), but it doesn't change the fact surely?

I'd imagine this list is about what the outlay on wages is and Chelsea actual outlay is lessened by the loans.