United wages higher than Chelsea

[Will Absolute]

Don't we also have a lot more employees?

These figures are not only for players, right?

Iirc, we employ about 700 people, most of them non-footballers. If the average yearly wage of the non-footballers is £50k, that comes to about £30m/year for non-footballing personnel; £100k sums to about £60m. A lot of our non-footballing employees are white collar types, so we can guess they're on higher than average wages, but that doesn't take us very far. Some posters might be able to make an educated guess about our non-football wage bill.

If we guess, very conservatively, that our football wage bill is £120m, say, and almost all of it goes to our first team squad of 26, and divide £120m by 26, it comes to a mouth-watering figure.

 

[simonhch]

Getting rid of Rio, Vidic, Giggs, possibly Evra, Young, Hernandez etc. will free up a hell of a lot of money.

Yeah but aren't we meant to be signing world class players to replace them? Don't imagine they'll be looking for peanuts, especially with us out of Europe.

 

[Shark]

We may have a ridiculously out of depth manager at present, but we can still pay big wages. Money will talk in the summer, despite what rivals are spouting out about Moyes and a lack of CL football next season.

 

[Barney]

Yeah its getting silly, 20 years ago the top wage in england was probably £30,000 per week, now its £300,000. Make the same move 20 years from now would have one player on £3,000,000 per week. Crazy

20 years ago the highest paid player was on much less than £30k. Probably around £8k.

 

[Ubik]

20 years ago the highest paid player was on much less than £30k. Probably around £8k.

I remember in the good ol' days of Championship Manager 2, the maximum you could offer was 20k. That was really pushing the boat out.

 

[Zen86]

20 years ago the highest paid player was on much less than £30k. Probably around £8k.

Makes you wonder how they survived on such paltry wages.

 

[Beachryan]

Cripes, what will we do without the financial moral high ground?

 

[stevoc]

20 years ago the highest paid player was on much less than £30k. Probably around £8k.

You sure mate, i remember when we signed cantona he was on about £20,000 a week that was 92, wasn't ravenelli on about £50,000 at middlesbrough in 97.

Though i could be remembering it all wrong i was 10 when we signed Eric.

If it was £8,000 that would make my 20 year projection even crazier.

 

[Barney]

You sure mate, i remember when we signed cantona he was on about £20,000 a week that was 92, wasn't ravenelli on about £50,000 at middlesbrough in 97.

Though i could be remembering it all wrong i was 10 when we signed Eric.

If it was £8,000 that would make my 20 year projection even crazier.

Chris Sutton was the 1st in 1994. Brought by Blackburn, so no surprise.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-have-changed-over-the-years-in-numbers.html

 

[stevoc]

@BarneyLFC

Seems you were right mate, found this article.

http://footballspeak.com/post/2012/05/05/Top-20-Highest-Paid-Players.aspx

Then we had the 3rd paradigm shift, which dramatically changed everything. A landmark European court case in 1995, the Bosman ruling gave freedom of movement to out-of-contract players. With clubs now able to get star players for free, part of the transfer fee "savings" were transfered to player wages. Agents of other players who did not benefit from Bosman-style wages negotiated parity for their clients. Pre-Bosman, Chris Sutton was the highest paid player in England on a salary of £10,000-a-week in 1994 at Blackburn, and by 1996, Ravanelli was rumoured to be on a salary of £40,000-a-week at Boro!

Though i wasn't too far off with how i remembered ravenellis wage.

 

[JinnerJamie]

Evra £4m
Ferdinand £6m
Vidic £4.5m
Giggs £4m

These four will as we all know will leave the club so there is a saving of around £18.5m a year.

Anderson £4m
Cleverly £3m
Nani £4.5m
Young £6m
Kagawa £4m
Cheech £4m

The future of these six is less known but imagine some of these will go too, my guess would be the 3 I've put in bold. There's another £12.5m saved, in total £31m that'll be reinvested in new signings and new contracts which isn't a bad thing but I can see the next lot of numbers being higher than this.

 

[2 man midfield]

Well Chelsea have most of theirs loaned out!

 

[botond]

£110k a week for Ashley Young is money well spent.

We are Massive

 

[acnumber9]

Getting rid of Rio, Vidic, Giggs, possibly Evra, Young, Hernandez etc. will free up a hell of a lot of money.

I'm sure it would but it's unlikely their replacements will be earning minimum wage.

 

[thegregster]

20 years ago the highest paid player was on much less than £30k. Probably around £8k.

Many sources claim John barnes was the first player on 10k a week. That was before the PL started.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...you-dont-see-many-black-managers-1772787.html

I remember when Des Walker went to Italy after World cup 90 many claimed he was on 20k a week.

 

[Distracted Steward]

Evra £4m
Ferdinand £6m
Vidic £4.5m
Giggs £4m

These four will as we all know will leave the club so there is a saving of around £18.5m a year.

Anderson £4m
Cleverly £3m
Nani £4.5m
Young £6m
Kagawa £4m
Cheech £4m

The future of these six is less known but imagine some of these will go too, my guess would be the 3 I've put in bold. There's another £12.5m saved, in total £31m that'll be reinvested in new signings and new contracts which isn't a bad thing but I can see the next lot of numbers being higher than this.

That's good insight. I hope you're wrong about Hernandez coming off the wage bill, though!

 

[Eugenius]

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/united-wages-higher-than-chelsea-S11363890293878?

Chelsea's wage bill has been overtaken by Manchester United's for the first time in more than a decade, it can be revealed.

In 2004, the Roman Abramovich-owned club were reckoned to be the biggest payers in world football as Chelsea spent heavily to challenge United's dominance.

Ten years on, and Manchester City are now easily the biggest payers in the Premier League, and Chelsea's accounts lodged with Companies House show that they are now in third spot in the 'wages league' below United as well.

Chelsea's wage bill in 2012/13 was £176million compared to £182million for Manchester United in the same season, while Manchester City's was £233million.

Likely because we signed RVP who is on ~£12m per year, and we won the league so there's additional squad bonuses for that.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Is the Fellaini £125.000/week talk true?

I second this question. I saw somebody quote it in a thread yesterday and couldn't believe what i was reading then, it's a deal that Peter Ridsdale would have been proud of.

 

[Ubik]

Weren't there rumours that our contracts had a non-European qualification clause that meant they'd get a pay cut next season?

 

[Samid]

Weren't there rumours that our contracts had a non-European qualification clause that meant they'd get a pay cut next season?

The boys will finish strongly and end up above Spurs.

 

[Member 55443]

Has to be solely down to the wages of RVP & Rooney, surely? Both mega-deals. Wonder how much Mata is on too...

 

[Ubik]

The boys will finish strongly and end up above Spurs.

Europe in this case = champions league.

 

[Blasphemy]

The boys will finish strongly and end up above Spurs.

We've got an easy run in now so I expect the same. Probably finish 6th.

 

[Blasphemy]

That's good insight. I hope you're wrong about Hernandez coming off the wage bill, though!

He's too good to be 4th choice and never going to be good enough to be first choice. The right move for all parties imo.

 

[duffer]

If we can somehow get Torres off the wage bill and if Ashley Cole leaves (which he probably will) that's a big dent in our bill.

 

[Distracted Steward]

He's too good to be 4th choice and never going to be good enough to be first choice. The right move for all parties imo.

I hate to say it, but there's truth in that.

I don't want to turn this into a Welbeck v Hernandez or Moyes' tactics thread, but I think Hernandez would be a massive loss. With more interchange his verve and movement is a lot of goals. No striker in the side moves as deliberately as him.

But yeah, there's deadwood to clear and some of it is going to be more stubborn than we'd like.

Edit: Cleared up confusing sentence structure.

 

[Giggsforever]

We could cut our first team Squad number by two players. But, with us bringing good players in during the summer, we would probably be at the same level even then. With our Budget, I think we are at a good level, but at the upper scale of that.

 

[sammsky1]

I can see where you're coming from mate, footballs big business now and the tv deals get ever bigger. And i suppose players are entitled to their cut of that.

But surely there has to be a point where the wages plateau and settle, £3 million a week would be £156 million a year for one player, what would your wage bill be well over a billion probably.

Surely it will never get to that stage.

Well there are more than a billion new potential fans the game can attract from Asia, Africa and USA. So I can see the upward trend carrying on for a while as TV deals will continue to grow.

 

[Distracted Steward]

Well there are more than a billion new potential fans the game can attract from Asia, Africa and USA. So I can see the upward trend carrying on for a while as TV deals will continue to grow.

Exactly. Wage increases may taper off at some point, but we're probably a good ways from that point. Maybe FFP will slow it down a bit.

 

[dev1l]

Where do you get all this information about player's wages? Is there an official source or else it s the usual gossip on twatter and the tabloids?

 

[stevoc]

Well there are more than a billion new potential fans the game can attract from Asia, Africa and USA. So I can see the upward trend carrying on for a while as TV deals will continue to grow.

Thats true amazing how much the game has grown since the 80's.

Seeing as i got my projection wrong earlier with the average wage in 94 actually being around £10,000 per week. So 10k in 94 to 300k in 2014 thats nearly a 3000% increase.

We could be looking at players earning £9 million a week in 20 years which would be

 

[Spoony]

He he he. Folk getting paid millions a year for kicking a bag of wind around a pitch. I'm sure we're living in the Twilight Zone.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

Our lads have earned every penny this season.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

What does my head in, is that the shit really hit the fan in terms of rediculous wages being paid - i.e. £100k per week bracket, started in 2008 when the world-wide recession kicked-in. How the feck did players start gettin those sums when the ordinary fan was struggling to keep their job, find a job & put food on the table for themselves and/or for the families. Its friggin immoral the demands these bastards were askin for. Sickens the hell out of me. Rooney was on something like £80k per week in 2008 & 6 years laters he's more than trebled that figure...

I'm not pickin on Rooney, he's just an example of the greed footballers possess & the out of touch attitude they have with the real world!

 

[stevoc]

I think the Arabs buying city really inflated the wage market around 2008-09.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

The ball boys should start expecting more than Young. They put in more effort than Young.

The tea lady puts in more of an effort than that gobshite. Young's the poster boy of all thats wrong with the English footballer - the fecker probably doesnt even watch any games either - apart from the bench, if even that too...

 

[Red Hand Devil]

I think the Arabs buying city really inflated the wage market around 2008-09.

Yeah big time man, but Abramovich started it all off - rediculous transfer fees & wages etc.. Then City came in & raised the bar. Now we have 6 or more Chelsea / City types...

Chelsea were days from goin into Administration before Red Rom bailed the cnuts out... City were not as bad, but they were shite all the same!

I blame George Bush at the end of the day. The arabs are all pissed-off because the yanks have been pardewing them for their oil, so they're buyin shite no-history football clubs to annoy the feck out the West... What did Ireland ever do to them though. Its just not fair...not fair at all

 

[jojojo]

I'd imagine the fact Giggs is both a player and a coach would result in pretty high wages, would it not?

Giggs' wages peaked at around £90k (including bonuses) a few years ago and were probably 75-80k last year and (with no bonuses) are probably more like 60k or less this year.

 

[Empire]

I could save 4 million a year by having my 12 year old manage the team - and I doubt if anyone would notice a difference in the results.

I could save over 6 million per year by selling Young and I'm quite sure we would notice an improvement in results.

Interesting point: Why would Ashley Young leave us when nobody else will play him that.

 

[Empire]

Evra £4m
Ferdinand £6m
Vidic £4.5m
Giggs £4m

These four will as we all know will leave the club so there is a saving of around £18.5m a year.

Anderson £4m
Cleverly £3m
Nani £4.5m
Young £6m
Kagawa £4m
Cheech £4m

The future of these six is less known but imagine some of these will go too, my guess would be the 3 I've put in bold. There's another £12.5m saved, in total £31m that'll be reinvested in new signings and new contracts which isn't a bad thing but I can see the next lot of numbers being higher than this.

Why did we pay £6m per year for Young, surely he would have signed for £4m per year....