I just keep thinking, if we'd got Mourinho from the start, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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I just keep thinking, if we'd got Mourinho from the start, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Give him some cream or whatever he needs for that twitchy ass so he can start setting up the team properly. His selections frankly make him look like a coward and our team is unbalanced because of his decision to fit in Rooney, Falcao and RVP every week despite it clearly not working.
That is the point it is all down now to his decisions, not injuries as previously. The squad is fine and should be doing a lot better, that is down to the manager and him alone. He will never take the blame. He always blames the players when he has chosen the wrong team in the first place.
Maybe he has got piles from sitting on the bench for too long.
things i am worried about
1. His team is weaker than a sum of parts in consist of. SAF's team were always greater than a sum of parts, Van Gaal makes good and great player play worse football than they are able to.
2. Morale - some players look disinterested, frustrated and confused. other players should be feeling this way. The way he kicks Herrera in his sack every week is criminal.
3. Reputation....i don't believe Falco, Van Persie or Di Maria play on merit.
4. Tactics - seriously, i could name 12 teams in ths league that look more coherent and threatening during positional attack. Bloody Stoke move the ball better.
1. His team is weaker than a sum of parts in consist of. SAF's team were always greater than a sum of parts, Van Gaal makes good and great player play worse football than they are able to.
2. Morale - some players look disinterested, frustrated and confused. other players should be feeling this way. The way he kicks Herrera in his sack every week is criminal.
3. Reputation....i don't believe Falco, Van Persie or Di Maria play on merit.
4. Tactics - seriously, i could name 12 teams in ths league that look more coherent and threatening during positional attack. Bloody Stoke move the ball better.
You want to go onto some of the Newspaper sites. He is blaming the players and basically saying they were gutless. When will this man ever take the blame for his decisions. He is going to lose these players if he doesn't watch it.
Really... what a stubborn idiot
Our players attitudes have been first class - they've done everything he's asked and not a grumble from the likes of Herrera
Really counterproductive
My main gripe now is that the basic job of any manager in anything is to put people into positions that play to their strengths to maximize their likelihood of succeeding.
LVG-by playing people out of position isn't doing that.
LVG-by playing people out of position isn't doing that.
What a load of rubbish. He actually praised the spirit of the team. Here's the interview if people want to watch:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31262604
i agree
I was reading newspapers not the BBC. They might have embroidered it. Yes they showed spirit, but why do they only show it when he has put them in a hole. The right side would have beaten West Ham. We were very lucky not to lose.
And a lot of wins last year becoming draws this year.
Won the same amount of games we have at this point last year I think, will have to check.
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http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/...ate=1391903999999&tableView=CURRENT_STANDINGS
I have read another article, the guts thing is to do with them not playing the ball along the floor in the first half. He seems to be a mass of contradictions. If they were not doing that put players on who can do it. He then admitted that his Plan B is to use Fellaini and hit the ball up to him. I am as confused as the players.
Before Fellaini came on I did think we played it along the floor much better than in the first half to be fair. Even as debatable as the comment is, I do think it's a stretch to say or insinuate he's calling the team gutless.
For the last two summers we've had a manager in charge who had never worked with the squad before and therefore didn't have a really informed view of what shopping needed to be done. My big worry is our season fizzles out and LVG gets the sack and we end up in that situation again. We've bought some great players in the last few windows without addressing the imbalances in the squad. OK LVG has made some baffling decisions but at least he knows our squad inside out and can identify where strengthening is needed. If he goes we'll end up with Woodward signing another couple of attacking midfielders cause the new manager has no idea and it'll be the same story next season.
He's finally got the right formation going for this team. He's got 1 loss in the last 17 games, and that's all really down to the player's drive he's gotten out of them. I have no doubt he'll get top 3 and seriously challenge for the title next season.
That was the headline, I will never learn. When I read through it it said they lacked guts by not playing the ball along the floor. So why is he using those particular players. He is a very complicated man.
Yes his use of English can be very confusing sometimes, not his fault though!
That's my massive worry too. I think he's shown with the team that played vs. MK Dons that he will wield the axe ruthlessly, I hope we give him enough time to do that. The play is worrying and some of the selections are baffling but he has improved the attitude of our team and made us much harder to beat. A lot of people complain Koeman and Pochettino are getting their teams to play how they want much quicker but in many ways Van Gaal is changing the whole mindset of a team and club that has been set in poor habits since SAF was here, in terms of play and transfer activity. There is no quick fix.
If he wants good passing football, play proper midfielders, who are good at passing the ball. Like, I don't know, Mata and Herrera.
Also, why the feck is he starting Januzaj in central midfield?
Also, why the feck is he starting Januzaj in central midfield?
Sometimes the simple solutions are the best.
So they can just get shoved off the ball? And again we pass the ball but too slowly and not incisively enough, Herrera can improve that but Mata is one of the worse culprits when he plays. Fellaini not starting was the biggest mistake he made today, would have helped us no end defending set pieces.
Post the link. At least criticise him for words we can all read, as opposed to your own half-remembered interpretation (not that this will stop people putting the boot in regardless)
He should have brought Herrera on the same time he brought Fellaini on. To leave it to one substitution and then only bring someone at the end was nuts. We will have to see what happens against Burnley and then the F.A. Cup at Preston. Ok we are fighting for points, cannot actually say we are hard to beat, that is down to the goalie, if we lost him
. Surely he can see things aren't working how they should.I honestly didn't buy into the whole 'LVG wants to do it his way so he looks clever' stuff, but its starting to look like it might be spot on.
He's making baffling decisions and playing countless players out of position, for what? The off chance it might work and he'll look like a genius?
Herrera doesn't get shoved off the ball that much, Mata I'll give you, but he's no worse then Januzaj in that regard.
I'd have played Fellaini today as well.
Don't get his Herrera blind spot to be honest, also fairly sure he called him 'class' after the Yeovil game, very weird. Januzaj didn't get pushed off the ball once today, in fact he seems a wee bit stronger since he's been playing regularly this year.
I think there's a difference between being smart and acting like you are.
I haven't seen Van Gaal do or say anything smart yet. He'll run his mouth just fine (although even that seems to have run out of steam), but there's an endless list of obviously stupid things he's done, or obviously stupid errors he has made and in many cases persists with...and if there is a list of smart things he's done, it's very short. So short you'd pretty much have to attribute it to pure fumbling luck...which is ironically the only reason we're even clinging on to a top four spot...which we wont be for much longer.
How can you be nearly two thirds of a way through a season and not have managed to get your team to play well for a single game? Even Moyes managed to stumble upon the odd good performance. The most impressive thing about Van Gaal is how he manages to get us to play so consistently terribly. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a United game...it was quite possibly last season.
You know the bullshitter at work who always talks like he's some kind of genius, and then one day you have a need to look through some work he's done and it becomes apparent he's a complete fecking idiot who doesn't know how to do his job? ...that's Van Gaal.
He doesn't seem very adaptable either. His idea of adapting is to shoehorn players into positions they can't play in order to try and cover up the fact it was him who fecked up the balance of the squad and not the manager before him as he'd claimed.
He could instantly solve half his problems by doing very obvious things like playing people in their positions and dropping RVP...problem is he wont because when he does it makes it obvious he doesn't know what he's doing, and I think like most people who've fecked something up, he's more interested in trying to hide it than trying to fix it...because fixing the feck up involves admitting it exists.
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There's been a number of good games. The most recent was the 3 nil game against Newcastle.
3-1 , it was a good match but not recent. boxing day wasn't it?
This place is fecking mental. Earlier on in the season daring to criticise anything Van Gaal did (or anyone he signed) was utter sacrilege. Now we've gone to an insanely opposite place, where nothing the team or manager has done is allowed to be deemed acceptable. We've (narrowly) lost one game in our last 16 and just utterly dominated the second half at a bogey ground of ours, en route to an injury time equaliser and you'd swear we got humped by a side in the relegation places. Have a bit of perspective ffs. We have problems but we're nowhere near as bad as you'd think from most of the threads on here.
The most recent is not necessarily the same thing as recent.
I was responding to noodles' standard ludicrous hyperbole. In this instance, the idea we haven't played a single good game all season. We were excellent against Newcastle.
Anyway, fecking hell. If you want recent. How about our last league game?!? Wasn't an amazing performance but it was extremely comfortable. And you don't get many comfortable games in the Premier League.
right , i thought we've had a few. but still we've been put in a better position by louis but ffs the football's been dire.
Should we translate at the very least 3-4 draws into wins in that 16-game stretch, it would be less of a problem. The bigger problem is that Van Gaal offers us the same shit on every week and is doing nothing to adjust (picking starters and using BLOODY SUBSTITUTIONS!!!) our issues when it's blatant under the shining sun. As a result, our results are suffering.
Eh? A substitute was hugely influential in rescuing a point today.
He kept it too late to turn things fully around IMHO and he only used one sub (the Smalling substitution doesn't count). And beyond substitutions, his job is to pick the right starters in the right positions; he's not doing that at all by keeping the old recipe that just doesn't work (RVP & Falcao; Rooney in midfield).
maybe he meant that the subs should be starting? not doubting that are we? players sat on the bench are better options that the starters TBF. herrera sat and rooney in midf as we struggle to keep the ball. not looking fluid at all. maybe herrera or maybe any other true midfielder playing in alongside blind. maybe rooney up top , it's football after all and he's a well paid manager and we aren't progressing as well as we should be by now. he did moan about balance , he didn't change that. not yet and i think that's what we are waiting on.
Upton Park is hardly our bogey ground, we've had a few draws but it's been ages since they have beat us there in the league, And we hardly dominated them.
Today is nothing to be happy about, West Ham are not in the best form right now and their best player was injured along with their best centre half, we should have won the game. Now we all have to be Liverpool fans for the next week due to having 2/3 teams breathing down on us.
If you'd followed United for more than a handful of years you'd realise we've often had poor performances and results at Upton Park.
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