United sign Jadon Sancho - Dortmund CEO Waltzing No More!
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We will continue to have issues on the right side for as long as AWB plays there, Sancho alone won't fix it and Ole knows this which is why we were interested in Trippier until being priced out of a move for him. Will have to wait and see what the back up plan is.
Let's just hope we do the business and progress to the next round. Hopefully Sancho can also show his class or else this place will be insufferable with cry babies..
Genuine holy shit moment tbh.
Felt like this would be another Gaitan/Sneijder/etc where we're always 'this' close to signing them every summer but we never actually do.
I've watched fractions of him at Dortmund (never a full match) and then seen his quite frankly woeful England performances so I don't have much to go off. The lad's clearly talented and works fantastically well in a system suited to him but he's absolutely not a right forward/winger so it'll be interesting to see how he plays and where he plays for us.
If he interchanges positions and our forwards are flexible to be anything like the 08 team were we're probably in for a treat.
Felt like this would be another Gaitan/Sneijder/etc where we're always 'this' close to signing them every summer but we never actually do.
I've watched fractions of him at Dortmund (never a full match) and then seen his quite frankly woeful England performances so I don't have much to go off. The lad's clearly talented and works fantastically well in a system suited to him but he's absolutely not a right forward/winger so it'll be interesting to see how he plays and where he plays for us.
If he interchanges positions and our forwards are flexible to be anything like the 08 team were we're probably in for a treat.
I think that’s a bit much.
I do agree AWB is too weak offensively and that gives opponents one less target to mark, but he’s a defensive rock.
Sancho isn’t a magic man but even if he can’t have an effective right lane combo with AWB, the combinations with Bruno, Rashford and Cavani/Greenwood should generate a lot of attacking output.
He’ll score the winner for England tonight
so many of his highlights show him performing mainly on the left side :S
I've watched loads of Dortmund games the last few years.
Sancho is similar to Martial is that they both like to come in short to receive the ball.
He's dangerous on the left coming in on his right...but he can be just as effectiive on the right wing linking up play....
Dont expect Sancho to constantly run in behind and stretch defences.
People expectiing a flying right-winger in the mould of Kanchelskis skinning the full-back at every opportunity will be disappointed.
Sancho is similar to Martial is that they both like to come in short to receive the ball.
He's dangerous on the left coming in on his right...but he can be just as effectiive on the right wing linking up play....
Dont expect Sancho to constantly run in behind and stretch defences.
People expectiing a flying right-winger in the mould of Kanchelskis skinning the full-back at every opportunity will be disappointed.
I am soo excited with this signing. For all those which are worried about his best position is left wing are missing a very important point.
The major problem throughout the season we had was despite playing Rashford LW and Greenwood RW, we didn't have a player who could beat players one on one from standing position, Rashford was very inconsistent with it, plus what Sancho brings that Greenwood & Rashford does not have it, he is clearly more of a winger first and forward second, with Rashford and Greenwood, they cut inside and shoot, furthermore their linkup play is again not as good as Sancho.
Therefore, even if we play Sancho on the left, it would be left side which will have proper winger who is going to be a playmaker, whereas the Right side Greenwood/Rashford who will be forwards playing as winger and their main motive is to get in the box and get shots away, so we will gain the play making side and ability to take players on either way regardless of him playing on the left or right side, which is essentially the point of having him.
Hopefully he will be our Hazard and helps us to the league title next season.
The major problem throughout the season we had was despite playing Rashford LW and Greenwood RW, we didn't have a player who could beat players one on one from standing position, Rashford was very inconsistent with it, plus what Sancho brings that Greenwood & Rashford does not have it, he is clearly more of a winger first and forward second, with Rashford and Greenwood, they cut inside and shoot, furthermore their linkup play is again not as good as Sancho.
Therefore, even if we play Sancho on the left, it would be left side which will have proper winger who is going to be a playmaker, whereas the Right side Greenwood/Rashford who will be forwards playing as winger and their main motive is to get in the box and get shots away, so we will gain the play making side and ability to take players on either way regardless of him playing on the left or right side, which is essentially the point of having him.
Hopefully he will be our Hazard and helps us to the league title next season.
Assume that he wasn’t started before as his “head wasn’t in the right place” as they say in football parlance.
It must be said that Sancho does this in the Bundesliga, I dare say Rashford and Greenwood would look just as good against weaker defenders. The interesting bit will be if Sancho can reproduce against better ones, time will show. If he is half the player Hazard was at Chelsea, I’d be very happy.
Since he no longer plays at Bundesliga, Southgate must have realized Sancho is the real deal to consider giving him his first start.
In 137 appearances for die Schwarzgelben, Sancho played 70 games as a right-winger, 45 on the left and even a handful of games as a striker.
That was the interesting bit for me. Mostly plays on the right.
He absolutely is.
Not sure what you've been watching/reading to come to that conclusion.
Some high praise from Dortmund fans.
"Oh Jadon, how can I still remember when you came to us with your dreadlocks and rascals smiling. You quickly played your way into the professional team ... and sweetened us up with your wit and dribbling every weekend ... even your black hour with the substitution against Bayern or your low form in the first half of the 20/21 season ... yes, none of that harmed your development and made you even stronger ...
A 21 year old who never complained negatively about a failed transfer "outwardly" ... to whom our captain's armband looked very good.
Oh, I just miss them Words ...
I am happy for you, because you simply deserve it and one has to understand that you want to go to your home ...
Even if it will never
happen , but maybe you will be seen in black and yellow again ... Jadon, stay healthy, keep us in good memory and show the people in England that you are one of the best ...
Heja BVB".
Another one said.
"I don't care to which transfer he changes. He fitted in very well with us, both playfully and personally, and that's why I generally find the change a shame, even if it would be 200 million, but of course I understand. With such a salary and then back home, you can't blame him. He always gave everything for us. Thanks to him, we are where we are now. He was one of our most important players and often decided games. Wish him all the best and good luck."
And another.
"First of all, many thanks to Sancho for the past few years and the certain magic that always emanated from him. An absolute world class player who is leaving us here".
No reason to be bitter about us a thousand times over City.
"I just think it sucks that such a horny player leaves us, in contrast to Dembele, Aus or Pulisic you really have to expect that he has dominated the football stage for ten years like Lewandowski. Don't wanna see that. I would have preferred Man City a thousand times to United. Actually, all the other top teams from England."
"Oh Jadon, how can I still remember when you came to us with your dreadlocks and rascals smiling. You quickly played your way into the professional team ... and sweetened us up with your wit and dribbling every weekend ... even your black hour with the substitution against Bayern or your low form in the first half of the 20/21 season ... yes, none of that harmed your development and made you even stronger ...
A 21 year old who never complained negatively about a failed transfer "outwardly" ... to whom our captain's armband looked very good.
Oh, I just miss them Words ...
I am happy for you, because you simply deserve it and one has to understand that you want to go to your home ...
Even if it will never
happen , but maybe you will be seen in black and yellow again ... Jadon, stay healthy, keep us in good memory and show the people in England that you are one of the best ...
Heja BVB".
Another one said.
"I don't care to which transfer he changes. He fitted in very well with us, both playfully and personally, and that's why I generally find the change a shame, even if it would be 200 million, but of course I understand. With such a salary and then back home, you can't blame him. He always gave everything for us. Thanks to him, we are where we are now. He was one of our most important players and often decided games. Wish him all the best and good luck."
And another.
"First of all, many thanks to Sancho for the past few years and the certain magic that always emanated from him. An absolute world class player who is leaving us here".
No reason to be bitter about us a thousand times over City.
"I just think it sucks that such a horny player leaves us, in contrast to Dembele, Aus or Pulisic you really have to expect that he has dominated the football stage for ten years like Lewandowski. Don't wanna see that. I would have preferred Man City a thousand times to United. Actually, all the other top teams from England."
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What are you talking about? You've watched fractions of him but are comfortable to say he's absolutely not a right winger?
Of course seemingly all it took for Southgate to bring him out of the doghouse was signing for a Premier League club
Watch his highlights on YouTube, he’s always on the left.
Watch any England game where he starts on the right, he ends up in the middle or on the left and is pretty redundant on the right.
Watch the limited amount of Dortmund matches I’ve seen and see he isn’t an out and out right winger.
He’s not what I assume United fans want for the right side, but he could be useful in an interchanging forward line where nobody has a fixed position.
From what I’ve seen he doesn’t go past people and get crosses in from the byline and he rarely seems to play on the right and stay there, he seems just like Rashford/Martial in terms of where he does his best stuff and the type of play he makes.
As said, I have limited experience of watching him, I just offered an opinion based on that. Take that as seriously as you want.
Perhaps you can show me samples of traditional right wing play to show me I’m wrong, I’m absolutely fine with learning more about him from evidence.
Of course seemingly all it took for Southgate to bring him out of the doghouse was signing for a Premier League club
Jude Bellingham takes note.
Hes not a traditional winger at all. He plays in the half spaces, but absolutely does dribble past players all the time and looks to play the killer pass in behind or the pass across the box for a tap in, and that stays the same either side of the pitch. He plays 1-2's, he is a world class dribbler, he has a brilliant eye for a pass and is a decent finisher so really he just plays as a wide playmaker either side of the pitch. He'll get involved deeper and help with ball progression through his dribbling or passing, and a lot of our play will go through him, which is what we need. We need a creator to balance out the wings, we don't necessarily need an old fashioned touch line winger, but he's equally capable for sure of playing on either wing. Think Neymar style, but a bit less of a forward and more as a playmaker, but one who has shown to be equally capable of playing on both wings (which is perfect, as it balances out either Rashford or Greenwood).
Watch from 3:12 onwards (this is when sancho is a little bit older) and you can see his creativity from the RW.
You probably watched a 20/21 highlight reel where he was on the left all season. In 19/20 he played on the right, 18/19 both wings.
That is my observation as well. I admit I have never seen him live, but based on clips and so, I'd describe Sancho as you did.
He's not what I wanted, because I'd love us to get a Coman like winger as that's something we're missing, but I'll just trust Ole on that choice.
Getting Sancho most likely means we're reacting to Pogba leaving, and it makes sense imo. Hopefully we will see him today.
2019 highlights when he played on both wings pretty equally (but more on the right I think)
At United it'll be the same. Him and Rashford will swap wings throughout the game, even more so if Greenwood starts up top.
At United it'll be the same. Him and Rashford will swap wings throughout the game, even more so if Greenwood starts up top.
“Watch his highlights on YouTube” is still the absolute stupidest thing ever to find out how or where a player plays.
Also, a ton of them are mirrored to avoid copyright strikes.
Also, a ton of them are mirrored to avoid copyright strikes.
Why would they prefer City signed him? Surely German football fans should despise a sugar daddy club like City the most out of anyone. Or are they just bitter about the fact United are taking a 3rd player off them? It’s not like we gave them peanuts for their players.
Can everyone please remember that he is only 21 years old. Please don't expect him to be a prime Beckham in his first season.
OT: Great transfer, not only because we finally sorted the right wing but also because despite covid we look to be spending big.
OT: Great transfer, not only because we finally sorted the right wing but also because despite covid we look to be spending big.
Our new boy is meant to be starting today.
He had Hakimi with him in 19/20, arguably the best right wing back in the world to combine with on that side which made it easier for him to play on that side as Sancho came inside and Hakimi provided the width. It will obviously not be nearly as effective with AWB playing there instead of Hakimi. The same issues will still happen with AWB receiving the ball on the wing and not being able to do much with it because of how technically limited he is.
I can really sense goals for England tonight if they go four at the back. Ukraine must be shattered after the Sweden game. Sancho to run riot and the hype to hit fever pitch. This will be his Rooney moment.
3-1 to England- kane (2) Sancho
3-1 to England- kane (2) Sancho
So many people seem to struggle with this concept and wail over whether we're maximising Player X. Maximising the team is the priority, every single player has to compromise and adapt to some degree.
To give home his credit, he has absolutely improved on this. His link up play, particularly with Scott, has come on leaps and bounds with the two usually finding a way out of tight areas and his crossing also has become more dangerous. I think people forget how young he still is and have been spoilt by Trent's offensive game.
Once they get an understanding together I reckon AWB and Sancho down the right will surprise alot of people, especially as AWB improved last season with practically no wing partner the entire season.
Except its not. It's actually the most obvious place to go to find out how or where a player plays. Can you make detailed judgments based on YouTube? No, but it gives you an insight into the style and type of player you're looking at. If I watch a video of Antonio Valencia, it will obviously show him playing on the right, his blistering pace and that he's a player who gets to the byline to cross, it won't show me things he isn't.
Plus only a minority of them are mirrored, the pages with larger subscribers tend not to face as much copyright issues, plus you can always tell when its been mirrored.
In 20/21 he had Guerreiro who offers similar from the left though. The reality is Sancho just links up very well with others as he drags multiple defenders towards him and opens up space for others, and as he plays in the half spaces, any overlapping fullback will get a lot more space to play simpler passes in the box. This will help both Bruno and Wan Bissaka, or Shaw on the left when Sancho is there. He's performed equally well on either wing and has probably played a roughly equal amount of minutes on both wings as he drifts and swaps wings throughout games too.
When is the medicals taking place?
please don't injure him England
please don't injure him England
Opponents will be quite happy for AWB to be the one receiving the ball in space as he's not much of a threat at all.
We finally nail this deal for an English wonder kid, and still so many negative bastads are constantly moaning that he's best on the left (opinion, not fact)