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United consider January move for Ayoze Perez
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I think we need an elite playmaker like Cantona or Zidane and should bust the bank for such a player when he come available.
Filling the squad up with fringe players is not what we need and we already have great youth talent like Martial, Januzaj and Depay to fill up those roles.
So Im not keen, however good this chap might be.
Filling the squad up with fringe players is not what we need and we already have great youth talent like Martial, Januzaj and Depay to fill up those roles.
So Im not keen, however good this chap might be.
I don't believe this link at all. We could just as easily bring Adnan back and save the transfer fee. It would also undercut a proper summer transfer like Griezmann.
No Youtube video that makes him look like Ronaldo?
Do not want, when we can breing Adnan back.
Sorry mate, didn't notice your post. Late reply, oops!
Herrera and Pereira are not ideal Van Gaal #10s IMO, which is why he keeps changing the setup over and over again, putting Rooney at #9, putting Rooney at #10, putting Martial at #9, putting Martial wide left. The squad is still unbalanced for his liking, which is why we see constant chopping and changing. He likes #10s who can operate like secondary strikers, or forwards, and the likes of Herrera and Pereira are midfielders. Which is why he liked Müller at Bayern and Limanen at Ajax. Which is why he tried Memphis as the point forward in pre-season. He had hoped Memphis would do well in the secondary striker role. Which is also partly why Herrera keeps getting dropped anytime his performance level drops. We need wingers, but we also need striker depth.
What it suggests is a lack of quality striking depth. Van Gaal doesn't like to change how the team sets up up too much. He wants continuity, and players knowing their roles by playing that way over and over again to inculcate automatism. United still hasn't achieved automatism because the starting XI itself isn't settled, let alone the bench options.
In the past whenever Van Gaal was chasing a game he would bring on strikers, and when he wanted to control games he brought on midfielders, instead of regularly bringing on box to box players to chase down the opposition. eg. When Ajax were in the 1995 final, he brought on Kanu and Kluivert for Litmanen and Seedorf to add goals. When Bayern Munich were in the 2010 final he brought on Gómez and Klose to chase the game when they fell behind to Internazionale. What changed at United is that the strikers were under-performing, or they didn't fit his philosophy, or they kicked up a fuss when used as substitutes. We still don't have a striker who can influence games as a late option when we are chasing a game, something Van Gaal always had in the past. Perhaps Van Gaal feels Pérez can remedy that, who if reports are to be believed, is on the verge of featuring for the Spanish national team for the first time.
I dunno if he will be worth it to be honest, just as I wasn't sure Martial would be worth it in the summer. I too want United to sign major players like Aubameyang, Neymar or Griezmann. But players of that caliber aren't always available, especially in the winter window. Have admittedly seen only 6 or 7 Newcastle games this season, but Pérez does look a bit too good for that team, and constantly stands out. Whether that's good enough for a club of United's level I dunno, Newcastle have been terrible, and if we sign him and he turns out to be shite, I'd be proven completely wrong. But again, Van Gaal is a good talent evaluator, so if he feels Pérez can add something to the team, then maybe he's onto something. For a club of United's size, taking a £10 million punt is not a big deal. It's not like we are spending £30 million and £100,000 per week wages on him. If he washes out, we could sell him for maybe £4-5 million. If he does well, we would have a good backup for the future. Kind of a good risk/ reward situation.
And I don't believe signing a £10 million player will preclude us from chasing major players like the ones mentioned above in the summer. Every club no matter how big or small, doesn't always sign just starting caliber players. We need better starters no doubt, but we also need better substitutes and it's not an either/ or situation. We could stand to sign players for either category depending on availability instead of going linear or bust. With footballers playing so many games these days, it's always wise to invest in the squad, which is what the £10 million would represent. Also, we might not believe he is good enough, and he might fail, but there are also plenty of players who came out of nowhere to become quality footballers.
I'm not saying that will definitely happen with Pérez mind. But Laurent Koscielny had played just one season in Ligue 1 before signing for Arsenal, and now he's considered to be arguably the best central defender in the Premier League with Smalling and Kompany. Santi Cazorla was a nothing player for Villarreal and was sold to Real Club Recreativo. In his very first season at Recreativo, he emerged as one of the best players La Liga, even won the Don Balón award for best Spanish player, Villarreal bought him back for 3 times the amount of money he was sold for, and he was a major contributor for Spain in 2008 despite having never played for the national team before. David Villa was playing in Segunda division before Real Zaragoza signed him, and he became one of the best strikers in La Liga in only 1 season, and Spanish international, and eventually their highest ever scorer ahead of Raúl.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we can't just sign marquee name players for the team. We also have to think about improving the squad, getting impact players, goalscorers, and all of that to build a strong squad from top to bottom. And we could stand to taking chances from time to time if Van Gaal believes the player can help the team. That's all there is to it, provided the reports are atleast semi-credible, which hasn't always been the case under Van Gaal.
Doubt it's true but I believe we could do better. He's young and all but Newcastle is his level at the moment, not really shown much to take a step up.
Rather than pay the £15-20m Newcastle would fleece us for, I'd rather just bring Januzaj back and use him, Lingard & Periera for the game time Perez would get.
I can guarantee that half of the people saying "no" have never seen him play other than maybe the odd game and MOTD highlights. Was very impressed with him at OT last year despite us giving Newcastle a bit of a drubbing and after the game SAF came out and said how impressed he had been with him too (although given SAF's record in his last few years with signings may or may not be a good thing!)
Everybody had a similar reaction to Mane and now most would take him in a heartbeat. It's not always the case that we need to sign "names" for them to bring something
Everybody had a similar reaction to Mane and now most would take him in a heartbeat. It's not always the case that we need to sign "names" for them to bring something
Rather have Mane to be honest.
Presume you have watched him in every game then, he's not good enough. no more bench warmers or "back-up" players or squad fillers. We have enough youngsters who are at least as good as him
Really like him from what I have seen but as people are saying I don't see him as a huge upgrade on Januzaj so would prefer Adnan, Lingard and Pereira to get some game time... And Memphis of course.
I am all for adding another name to our forward line but I want someone with pace and can dribble
I am all for adding another name to our forward line but I want someone with pace and can dribble
So basically every player who we have not bought and has been bought by other teams? Or are you only referring to Pedro?
OK looks like Neymar it is then.....seriously though I would always take a young, hungry talented player over a "name" any day of the week. I can't agree that we have "enough youngsters who are at least as good" because other than Martial and arguably Depay I don't see any attackers his age in our squad who are playing to his level week in week out in the PL
Lingard Wilson Januzaj & Pereira are at least as talented as him but don't get so much game time while Ayoze has not much to compete with at Newcastle.
What we do need is a "name", a youngish name (under 26) - funnily enough Neymar fits the bill perfectly but unlikely.
Pedro, Firmino and Falcao mainly this year. And Last year we were linked with a host of Dutch players like Janmaat, Martins Indi, Clasie who were seen as must haves and I may be missing few other players too
Must haves by who? The media kept linking us with anyone Dutch and the posters on here dreaded it on the whole. Falcao was never ever wanted to be a permanent signing after last year's loan and the jury is out on Firminio just like it is for Memphis. Pedro is a very good player in a Chelsea team struggling as a whole, just like we did under Moyes.
I'm not saying that will definitely happen with Pérez mind. But Laurent Koscielny had played just one season in Ligue 1 before signing for Arsenal, and now he's considered to be arguably the best central defender in the Premier League with Smalling and Kompany. Santi Cazorla was a nothing player for Villarreal and was sold to Real Club Recreativo. In his very first season at Recreativo, he emerged as one of the best players La Liga, even won the Don Balón award for best Spanish player, Villarreal bought him back for 3 times the amount of money he was sold for, and he was a major contributor for Spain in 2008 despite having never played for the national team before. David Villa was playing in Segunda division before Real Zaragoza signed him, and he became one of the best strikers in La Liga in only 1 season, and Spanish international, and eventually their highest ever scorer ahead of Raúl.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we can't just sign marquee name players for the team. We also have to think about improving the squad, getting impact players, goalscorers, and all of that to build a strong squad from top to bottom. And we could stand to taking chances from time to time if Van Gaal believes the player can help the team. That's all there is to it, provided the reports are atleast semi-credible, which hasn't always been the case under Van Gaal.
the general gist of this.
I mean it's a bit annoying we always wonder why we pay through the nose for people that have a half decent season at another club, yet now when seeing someone who's obviously got talent; in a ridiculously uncreative team, being linked, we'd rather pay 30m for Mane!?
I actually quite like Perez, I don't think he's also the answer to our problems, but he'd certainly provide competition and a bit of hunger. It's no coincidence that Lingard, a young player, trying to impress, has made a big impact and forced his way in the starting 11. He wouldn't cost that much, no one really knows his ceiling and he's not suited to Mclarens team. I'd rather give him a go than spunking 25-30M on Mane.
Really? Good on the lad. Spain seem really short on strikers though, especially now Costa has proved he wasn't the final piece of the puzzle. How about Aduriz and Paco Alcacer?
Aoyze is on the brink of a Spain call up?
I'd happily take him. We need more threats up front.
The Guardian seem to think there's something in it (Louise Taylor is an idiot though) -
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/15/newcastle-united-ayoze-perez-manchester-united
This line is complete nonsense aswell -
'There are shades of Jari Litmanen – and compliments rarely come bigger – David Silva, Peter Beardsley and Matt Jansen about his three-dimensional'
One of those is not like the rest.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/15/newcastle-united-ayoze-perez-manchester-united
This line is complete nonsense aswell -
'There are shades of Jari Litmanen – and compliments rarely come bigger – David Silva, Peter Beardsley and Matt Jansen about his three-dimensional'
One of those is not like the rest.
I just want as much gametime as humanly possible to Pererra and Januzaj unless we bring in a Greizman, reus, bale calibre starter.
http://www.skysports.com/transfer/n...and-spurs-want-me-says-newcastles-ayoze-perez
"There is truth in the talk about interest in me. It's rewarding for me," Perez told Radio Club Tenerife.
"There is much truth in the interest from Tottenham and Man United, but my place is at Newcastle."
Interesting, if not him it at least it shows we're in the market for a player in January. I'm all for depth but couldn't Januzaj provide something similar to him and he's been having less game time?
"There is truth in the talk about interest in me. It's rewarding for me," Perez told Radio Club Tenerife.
"There is much truth in the interest from Tottenham and Man United, but my place is at Newcastle."
Interesting, if not him it at least it shows we're in the market for a player in January. I'm all for depth but couldn't Januzaj provide something similar to him and he's been having less game time?
From a historical perspective, that name in that company is ridiculous but he was turning into a mighty fine player before his motorcycle accident which ruled him out of the 2002 world cup. I remember him going to Palace from Carlisle instead of coming to us in the 1997/98 season because he knew he would get more football there.
Not enough bling.The shiny new toy brigade don't like this one.
Happy thing no? I trust the scouting team. Most of the new players we got after LVG came in looked ok, especially the non-glamorous ones.
Plus, if he can bring more than Rooney in the short term I am all for it.
Plus, if he can bring more than Rooney in the short term I am all for it.
Why not both of we can manage it?
Ayoze is talented but no where near the level in which we should be aiming for to take us to the next level. He could be a decent backup to Martial but there are many other players I'd rather have.
His versatility, age and the fact we have so few attacking options mean he might be a decent buy if the fee is not too steep.
Really? He's not near Martial's level. He may be on par with Lingard but he isn't developed in Manchester United. He certainly isn't better than Mata or Herrera or even Rooney or nevermind, he is.
We MUST aim higher, especially when there are significantly better attackers on the market for the right money, there's no doubt about that.
Edit: If we're going to develop Pereira, we can't stack up with mediocrity in his positions.
At this point I think nearly any attacker in the PL could offer us more than Rooney, and we need players to come on in games, when you look at our bench we basically have Fellaini as the default striker option to change things up, Perez is still fairly young and playing in a poor side, I think he could progress here. In January there wont be many options IMO unless we are prepared to pay silly Neymar/Bale money for someone like Mahrez or Mane. Conversely Perez was bought so cheap that I doubt Ashely would turn down a nice tidy profit in January.
This!
Doesn't look anything special to me. His touch can be sublime sometimes but I've seen very limited glimpses of quality from him. Every now and then he shows a quality piece of technical skill but that's not enough IMO. Wijnaldum looks the better overall player as do a number of other players outside the rich clubs. Would be a surprising transfer. He's also a bit weak like Mata which we absolutely don't need.
I thought the papers said our manager was off. Now he's bidding for players?
I don't know why we wouldn't just bring Januzaj back, and actually give him a chance instead. Will he become 10x the player Adnan will be at 25? I don't think so, not on what I've seen.
Not saying he's good enough but he's certainly more talented than Lingard and based on what we are seeing on the pitch, offers us more than Rooney. To be fair, most players offer more than Rooney nowadays.
If Spurs are also interested it's lost cause. He is bound to look at the table for past 7 seasons and notice that Spurs were in CL twice and then look at the table for the last 2 seasons and see that we've only managed to make top 4 once.
He will also come to the conclusion that football doesn't count until Spurs have a new stadium.