United consider January move for Ayoze Perez

FC Ronaldo said:
Versatile? Tick.
Good technique? Tick.
Pretty quick? Tick.
Good finisher? Tick.
Not cup tied for CL or EL? Tick.
Can be adopted by Ander, Dave and Juan? Tick.
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Good technique ? I ll say he looks just above average
Good finisher? Yes seems so. Ill give you that
Pretty quick? Now i doubt if you have ever watched him play
Not cup tied? Is this a criteria now?We are not gonna win UCL, rather buy players who maybe cup tied but win us the league
can be adopted by ander,dave and juan? well i know another spaniard who would fulfill that role

Wednesday at Stoke said:
You're not going to find Lewandowski willing to come in and play third choice to Rooney and Martial. He's a decent player, good trickery, change of pace and very versatile. Possibly available for cheaper than guys like Berahino. We could do worse for a back up.
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Its not that you cannot, its that you have to look hard and time is short, most teams dont want to disturb their team rhythm. We found vidic/evra and got mata. With LVG saying he needs pace i am sure he will do everything to get that. Why do we need a 3rd choice? why not a first choice attacker who can play both wings or as a 10 you know same as perez but about 3 levels higher. Your point about lewandowski is irrelevant, he wasnt formed in a day, it took him years. I am all for buying someone like embolo(not saying exactly him). What i mean is why not buy someone who has attributes we are looking for which means pace, speed and acceleration. Perez has none. Would city/arsenal really be looking at him? if they or liverpool signed him for 25 million we all would be laughing.

Summit said:
I remember this being said of Mané.
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Well i dint say it then. I would take mane over him everyday of week and twice on sunday. Mane is twice the player perez is. He is also powerhouse and wont be nullified, he is electric and offers a threat that perez cannot.

I dont know why but some times certain united fans try to make it a personal agenda to increase someone's ability just because they were linked with united. This could all be agent's doing just like pato placed an advertisement in a newspaper. He may want a better deal at newcastle or a better club than newcastle.
For people who try to hype a player just cause he is linked to us well you can polish a shit, write odes to it, sing songs about its beauty, it will still be a shit.
 
Jerch said:
I still think that Mane is also not good enough. We need first team players, we have enough backup with our youngsters...
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We do not have enough backup in terms of strikers with the departure of Van Persie, Falcao, Welbeck and Hernández. If Martial or Rooney go down for a couple of months, we have only Wilson in the reserves as a genuine striker. And he's frequently injured too. Our striking options are wafer thin, and it's imperative that we build some sort of depth, ideally in the January window to sustain a title challenge if we're in a good position points wise.

We might not be able to get a Kane or Aubameyang type of player to supplement the squad, which is why the club will have to explore other possibilities too. Pérez has a good scoring rate considering how weak Newcastle are, has good technique and touch, and he can play in all 4 attacking positions. We could do better, yes, but for £10-12 million, he would be a good signing. No one is going to pretend that he will be a quality starter, but for a substitute, he has potential, and is still only 22. ~10 million fee, and £30,000-40,000 in terms of wages (he earns £20,000 pw at Newcastle) would represent a good investment.
 
Scored at the weekend didn't he? Probably his agent capitalising on that or the papers taking a punt. Wouldn't mind him though, I'd take any half-decent attacker at this point...
 
Brwned said:
I think it's fair to compare Ayoze Perez to Smith - who was only really of the required standard in a team fighting for the CL places and cups, not the title - but Mané's a step above. Going for Perez is just setting our sights too low, for me.
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Yeah, you're probably right that Mane is a step above -- and I'd definitely prefer him over Perez -- but I still think that Perez isn't to be scoffed at. I mean, he'd primarily be a bench option, and probably a valuable one for league and cup games (especially with injuries and whatnot).

Either way, we'll almost certainly be signing a world class attacker in the summer, so these are really stopgap options which I'd welcome. Mane would be a great signing. Lots of pace, which is what we severely lack. It's a bit like when we bought Young imo.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
We don't need a back up option sitting on the bench waiting to make an impact.

We need a proven goalscorer like Reus or a player promoted from the youth with that potential. Perez would do ok at Southampton
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We do need a back up, so that we don't have to have Marouane fecking Fellaini as our substitute striker. We have 3 strikers in the squad, and two of them are in our starting line up, and the third rarely makes the bench.
 
Invictus said:
We do not have enough backup in terms of strikers with the departure of Van Persie, Falcao, Welbeck and Hernández. If Martial or Rooney go down for a couple of months, we have only Wilson in the reserves as a genuine striker. And he's frequently injured too. Our striking options are wafer thin, and it's imperative that we build some sort of depth, ideally in the January window to sustain a title challenge if we're in a good position points wise.

We might not be able to get a Kane or Aubameyang type of player to supplement the squad, which is why the club will have to explore other possibilities too. Pérez has a good scoring rate considering how weak Newcastle are, has good technique and touch, and he can play in all 4 attacking positions. We could do better, yes, but for £10-12 million, he would be a good signing. No one is going to pretend that he will be a quality starter, but for a substitute, he has potential, and is still only 22. ~10 million fee, and £30,000-40,000 in terms of wages (he earns £20,000 pw at Newcastle) would represent a good investment.
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You are thinking totally different then LVG is thinking. We have 2 first team strikers and 1 who is between first team and reserves. That is more then enough for one position especially for LVG who thinks 2 players per position is more then enough.

We effectively let go 2 strikers in Van Persie and Falcao (Hernandez was on loan already last season and Welbeck sold a season before) and bought 1. Given that we wanted to play with 2 strikers last season and we are playing with 1 striker this season we are more covered in strikers departement then last season.

As i said we need first team players, in wide areas more then in a striker role in think, and if they are available we will be trying to bring them, otherwise we will try to get as much as we can from the players already at the club.
 
It's the sort of transfer I wouldn't pick myself, but if it did happen I'd trust that LVG knew something we didn't. After all, I wasn't particularly enamoured with Martial either, and look how that's turned out.
 
Same type of reactions here when we were going for Mane in the summer and now everybody wants him! Let's trust the scouting team on this one.
 
Jerch said:
You are thinking totally different then LVG is thinking. We have 2 first team strikers and 1 who is between first team and reserves. That is more then enough for one position especially for LVG who thinks 2 players per position is more then enough.
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Just no. Van Gaal doesn't especially think 2 striker are enough when he frequently likes to use one as a point forward. The 1 who is between the first team and the reserves hasn't featured at all, and is injured time and again. This is the easy part of the season. What happens if god forbid one of them gets injured for 2-3 months, and you have to juggle the league schedule with important Champions League fixtures, and FA Cup matches? How will you rest Martial or Rooney, and if you do rest them who will play as the striker? Whenever we need goals we bring on Fellaini instead of a proper striker, and that will definitely cost us over the course of the season. Maybe Louis has realized that letting all those players go was an error in hindsight, and wants to paper over the cracks.
Jerch said:
We effectively let go 2 strikers in Van Persie and Falcao (Hernandez was on loan already last season and Welbeck sold a season before) and bought 1. Given that we wanted to play with 2 strikers last season and we are playing with 1 striker this season we are more covered in strikers departement then last season.
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That's not it either. As stated before, he likes point forwards who are more in the striker mold rather than midfielders. He seems to have stumbled upon the Martial + Rooney combination, and they're both strikers (or atleast not midfielders). Pérez would be good relief for one of them.
Jerch said:
As i said we need first team players, in wide areas more then in a striker role in think, and if they are available we will be trying to bring them, otherwise we will try to get as much as we can from the players already at the club.
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Again, there is a dearth of strikers at the club, to a point where when we need to score goals late in a match we bring on a convertible midfielder instead of a striker who can score goals. Contingency planning necessitates covering all your bases in preparation for the worst circumstances, and Pérez would be a good signing from that perspective.

The financial outlay wouldn't be all that great either, it would largely be a risk free signing. If he flops, that's ~10 million down the drain, a marginal amount for a club with United's revenues; but if he is a diamond in the rough and succeeds, we might have a good option for the striker department who can add goals to the team, and cost peanuts. I'm not campaigning for the signing either FWIW, just saying that as a punt, he might be worth it in the January window when a lot of A-list players will not be available no matter how much money you chuck at their current clubs.
 
He's not a bad player but if you are looking down the league for players to get in January there are surely other names you'd have above him in the pecking order.
 
Invictus said:
Just no. Van Gaal doesn't especially think 2 striker are enough when he frequently likes to use one as a point forward. The 1 who is between the first team and the reserves hasn't featured at all, and is injured time and again. This is the easy part of the season. What happens if god forbid one of them gets injured for 2-3 months, and you have to juggle the league schedule with important Champions League fixtures, and FA Cup matches? How will you rest Martial or Rooney, and if you do rest them who will play as the striker? Whenever we need goals we bring on Fellaini instead of a proper striker, and that will definitely cost us over the course of the season. Maybe Louis has realized that letting all those players go was an error in hindsight, and wants to paper over the cracks.
Jerch said:
We effectively let go 2 strikers in Van Persie and Falcao (Hernandez was on loan already last season and Welbeck sold a season before) and bought 1. Given that we wanted to play with 2 strikers last season and we are playing with 1 striker this season we are more covered in strikers departement then last season.
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That's not it either. As stated before, he likes point forwards who are more in the striker mold rather than midfielders. He seems to have stumbled upon the Martial + Rooney combination, and they're both strikers (or atleast not midfielders). Pérez would be good relief for one of them.
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I think he does and i would like that he would do because i think Wilson need a playing time and if we keep him we will not buy another striker. Wilson is currently recovering but he played a lot last season for a striker who is as young as him and i think he will be again in first team this season when he will be needed. Ofcourse all can change if a right player became available and we send Wilson on loan.
As for playing both strikers, we have Herrera and Pereira and even Depay to play in that number 10 position if one striker needs a rest. It a LVG choice to play both becouse both are prepared enough to play 2-3 times per week.
Invictus said:
Again, there is a dearth of strikers at the club, to a point where when we need to score goals late in a match we bring on a convertible midfielder instead of a striker who can score goals. Contingency planning necessitates covering all your bases in preparation for the worst circumstances, and Pérez would be a good signing from that perspective.
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I think people really don't get this substitution. It is much more to change the shape of midfield from 2 DM and one AM to a midfield with only one DM, often if Rooney is AM with him starting to push more forward then before. Fellaini is capable of carring the ball forward, is quite mobile and can track back and win the ball back quickly after we lose it, is a great target man if we have a hard time to bring balls in dangerous areas and also is a great header of the ball when we cross into the box. Unforunately people notice just the last part.
Invictus said:
The financial outlay wouldn't be all that great either, it would largely be a risk free signing. If he flops, that's ~10 million down the drain, a marginal amount for a club with United's revenues; but if he is a diamond in the rough and succeeds, we might have a good option for the striker department who can add goals to the team, and cost peanuts. I'm not campaigning for the signing either FWIW, just saying that as a punt, he might be worth it in the January window when a lot of A-list players will not be available no matter how much money you chuck at their current clubs.
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This is the real qestion, is he worth it, how big chance does he have to succed or would he be not only a flop and 10m down the drain but also would prevent us to buy the player we wanted in the summer because we will already have him.
I don't think he is worth it.
 
What exactly does he give you that you don't already have other than you don't already have, other than depth?

This isn't like Cabaye a few seasons back where you could make a clear statistical case that he would add turnovers and long-distance central passing to a team that was overly dependent on wing creativity. I'm struggling to see in what aspect Ayoze outweighs his MUFC equivalents, Rooney up top or Mata in the hole. Work rate, maybe, but that's it.

...so hands off! :wenger:
 
naturalized said:
What exactly does he give you that you don't already have other than you don't already have, other than depth?
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But that's the point, we desperately need depth. Constantly an injury away from having to play Fellaini up top.
 
Not good enough. Living up here I've watched a lot of Newcastle matches, and I like Ayoze, but we shouldn't be in for him. He's lightweight and doesn't score enough. You could say it's because of the team he's in, but I don't think he'd be able to make the step up. He will do well in his career though, he'll perform at Newcastle or other equivalent level teams as long as he doesn't get discouraged.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
We don't need a back up option sitting on the bench waiting to make an impact.

We need a proven goalscorer like Reus or a player promoted from the youth with that potential. Perez would do ok at Southampton
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Actually we do need that. There's no backup.
 
I'd love him at Chelsea. He is miles better than Hazard right now.
 
This lad, Mane, Mahrez and Felipe Anderson all fit into the same category for me. I've seen more of Aoyze and Mane but enough of the others to say they all have talent but nothing about any of them excites me enough to want them at United, but I'm not steadfastly against them either if the price is right.
 
Not the first time we've been linked with him since the start of the season. Could me something in it.
 
I'd be happy if we bought him, assuming it is as a back-up striker for now. I think he's a good all round player who can score goals and has plenty of time to develop further. I would hope we're also looking for a winger of first-team quality though.
 
Newcastle fans on their forum saying he worked very, very hard against Bournemouth. He definitely has quick enough feet to be productive. I don't really remember if he's smart enough, what his vision is like or his shooting. Haven't seen much of Newcastle this year apart from MOTD.

I guess he would fit the support striker position and be more of a pacy goal threat than most of our other options there.
 
I doubt we will go for this guy.

The reason why LVG didnt buy any attackers in the Summer, was because he wanted an elite level player. Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar or Muller.
He was not interested in 2nd/3rd tier players. So, with this in mind, I find it strange that he is now looking for a 2nd/3rd tier player. Lets not forget that if he wants, he can try out Wilson. He can also recall Jannuzaj.
 
He's a talented young player, whether or not he can make the step up to United I don't know really.
 
If we're going in-league it has to be Mane or Mahrez. If not those two, Payet.

Unless Newcastle are willing to give him to us for next to nothing, which doesn't seem likely.

One of those four alongside a big name from the continent is what I'd guess LVG is aiming for.
 
let him play another year or two for tem like newcastle nd then see if he's ready for us, hes certainly not now but, who cares he's better tha rooney when he wouldn¨t get ahead of him in the pecking order
 
I scoffed at Mane initially so won't do the same with this one, but I have to admit it seems a bit of an odd one.

If LvG wants him then I'm in though, maybe a £10 million and a Wilson loan could seal the deal.
 
DWelbz19 said:
He's not quick at all. He's very weak too. I really do like him but he's just not very fast or strong, I fail to see why we want him.
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Exactly. He's not that quick at all. He's got good technique, but he's not that pacy. No way he's an improvement on Rooney if that's what we're looking for.
 
Yay! More average attackers to add to the collection. Thats exactly what we need right now.
 
Doesn't sound like a LVG type move unless he's on the point of giving up on Wilson. He likes to bring in academy players to cover for injuries.
 
What's the point in signing another striker to play second fiddle to Rooney? Realistically, Rooney isn't going to be dropped and thus is always going to be playing up front.

If he and Martial ended up getting injured, then id rather Wilson be brought in or even Januzaj back from Loan.
 
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