United’s next manager

Inigo Montoya said:
He wasn't fired for that. He has lost the players in the same way Jose lost them at Chelsea and Utd.

His time had finished at Spurs, he knew it and the hierarchy knew it
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"We were extremely reluctant to make this change. It is not a decision the board has taken lightly, nor in haste," said Spurs chairman Daniel Levy.

"Regrettably domestic results at the end of last season and beginning of this season have been extremely disappointing.

"It falls on the board to make the difficult decisions - this one made more so given the many memorable moments we have had with Mauricio and his coaching staff - but we do so in the club's best interests."

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I wonder how that compares with let say Ole's
 
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Enigma_87 said:
People were asking what's the alternative when you sack Ole, as one of the main defense points of not sacking him - well there you are - you have a good manager and a coach, with PL experience and playing the way United fans would like.

You are ready to walk on it and continue with the rookie manager at helm which inevitable will fail at some point?
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Not me but the Utd board.
I’m cynical to the point where i don’t see success under the present ownership.

I’m not convinced by Poch, I don’t see where he could take us. Spurs didn’t have the same expectation but he did brilliantly. We will be under so much scrutiny, I’m not sure he could cope.

I’m more in Marco Roses camp than Poch but no doubt he will have his detractors
 
The Cat said:
This is a natural alignment now - Poch as manager with Ole taking the DOF role. Keeps Ed happy as he won't have a DOF who will upset him and Ole to be fair has made a good start with his signings.
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Do we need a DOF who unearths EPL proven players?
 
devilish said:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50480860

"We were extremely reluctant to make this change. It is not a decision the board has taken lightly, nor in haste," said Spurs chairman Daniel Levy.

"Regrettably domestic results at the end of last season and beginning of this season have been extremely disappointing.

"It falls on the board to make the difficult decisions - this one made more so given the many memorable moments we have had with Mauricio and his coaching staff - but we do so in the club's best interests."

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I wonder how that compares with let say Ole's
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I don’t understand how the two compare without looking at the bigger picture. They felt he wasn’t taking them anywhere further and all the noises he made suggested that he wasn’t happy with the squad, the spending etc. He clearly couldn’t motivate the side . The results are just one facet, it was his squad,his tactics etc. With Ole we know he needs to clear out a whole lot of deadwood
 
Inigo Montoya said:
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Not me but the Utd board.
I’m cynical to the point where i don’t see success under the present ownership.

I’m not convinced by Poch, I don’t see where he could take us. Spurs didn’t have the same expectation but he did brilliantly. We will be under so much scrutiny, I’m not sure he could cope.

I’m more in Marco Roses camp than Poch but no doubt he will have his detractors
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Rose and Nagelsmann most likely won't be available until the Summer at least, maybe won't be available after and there is also Bayern in the picture when it comes to an appealing place to be.

We have a real possibility to get a good manager in, being available, without paying a good severance package.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
That game against Spurs will be super interesting now. If Ole beats Jose, will Jose meltdown, if Jose beat Ole will the fans turn their fury on Woodward.
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It will go either way, guaranteed

We will be well up to beat them but Jose will set up for counter attacking, it’s his way. Thing is with Kane an Son, he’s better set up than he was st Utd
 
Inigo Montoya said:
We will be well up to beat them but Jose will set up for counter attacking, it’s his way. Thing is with Kane an Son, he’s better set up than he was st Utd
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Agreed. I think Jose will be very dangerous with Spurs' current squad. Hopefully the match will be too early for Jose to fully put his stamp on the team as I think Jose will be successful at spurs, until he falls out with Levy over transfer funds.
 
For me, we need to be working on drawing up a list of candidates to potentially replace Ole for next season. There's always a slight chance Ole could pull things together, but we have to prepare for the worst. Right now there are two genuinely top managers available in Poch and Allegri. We need to decide if we want either, and start making our initial approaches.

We also need to start reaching out to managers already in jobs but that interest us. I for one would want to be tapping up Marco Rose and his situation.
 
Mr Smith said:
We need to decide if we want either, and start making our initial approaches.

We also need to start reaching out to managers already in jobs but that interest us. I for one would want to be tapping up Marco Rose and his situation.
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Because that will really help right now. If Ole is our manager he needs total support until the day comes where he needs to go. Tapping up other managers now is wrong for everyone. Undermining Ole would be a terrible thing to do.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
I don’t understand how the two compare without looking at the bigger picture. They felt he wasn’t taking them anywhere further and all the noises he made suggested that he wasn’t happy with the squad, the spending etc. He clearly couldn’t motivate the side . The results are just one facet, it was his squad,his tactics etc. With Ole we know he needs to clear out a whole lot of deadwood
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Well you can compare the two by having a look at the results during the end of last season and the beginning of this season
 
Inigo Montoya said:
And then it'll be another season or two before we see success under whoever comes in.

Then there'll be the usual bleating: " Give him time, give him the money, wait until he gets the players he wants...." Heard it before with all the others and it'll be the same with a new coach
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It will be worse. Posters here continually bash Ole for how we ended last season, so if Poch came in now and kept us limping forward then i can guarantee you most of these same posters would want him gone if he failed to miraculously improve us overnight. Unless you of course hold them to completely different standards and you are a massive hypocrite
 
Bobcat said:
It will be worse. Posters here continually bash Ole for how we ended last season, so if Poch came in now and kept us limping forward then i can guarantee you most of these same posters would want him gone if he failed to miraculously improve us overnight. Unless you of course hold them to completely different standards and you are a massive hypocrite
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Changing the rebuilding philosophy and different playing styles again will only push us back another 3/4 years. keep Ole and let him do the rebuilding Job he has started.
 
Bestietom said:
Changing the rebuilding philosophy and different playing styles again will only push us back another 3/4 years. keep Ole and let him do the rebuilding Job he has started.
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I wonder if Levy was thinking the same thing. Let’s see who’s rebuilding takes place quicker. Ole’s or Jose’s. I guarantee you they finish above us next season if the same managers remain.
 
Mainoldo said:
I wonder if Levy was thinking the same thing. Let’s see who’s rebuilding takes place quicker. Ole’s or Jose’s. I guarantee you they finish above us next season if the same managers remain.
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How do you guarentee this ?
 
Bobcat said:
It will be worse. Posters here continually bash Ole for how we ended last season, so if Poch came in now and kept us limping forward then i can guarantee you most of these same posters would want him gone if he failed to miraculously improve us overnight. Unless you of course hold them to completely different standards and you are a massive hypocrite
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Poch is wasn’t given 12 months to contribute shite. He earned his years at Spurs which is why it was a hard decision. Half the fan base wouldn’t blink an eye lid if Ole got sacked tomorrow.
 
lsd said:
How do you guarentee this ?
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Comeback to me in a year or both managers are in-charge. We’ll be where we currently are blaming 3 summer signing transfer window as usual whilst Spurs will look like a solid team.
 
Mainoldo said:
I wonder if Levy was thinking the same thing. Let’s see who’s rebuilding takes place quicker. Ole’s or Jose’s. I guarantee you they finish above us next season if the same managers remain.
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Jose is a bizarre appointment for Spurs. He failed the rebuilding job badly with us with much more money available so why on earth would they hire him if that is the goal?

Jose will no doubt improve their results in the short term, but considering Joses personality, the financial restraints hes got there and how Levy likes to run the shop i would say there is a cats chance in hell that Jose will "rebuild" them to any extent
 
Bobcat said:
It will be worse. Posters here continually bash Ole for how we ended last season, so if Poch came in now and kept us limping forward then i can guarantee you most of these same posters would want him gone if he failed to miraculously improve us overnight. Unless you of course hold them to completely different standards and you are a massive hypocrite
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Bollocks. First of all some managers have earned their time at a club or even at a new job like Poch. The rest were parachuted to the job due being a former player and having previous stints in Norway and Cardiff.

Of course if a credible manager should have different standard that the one we currently have and is for a reason. Respect and time are earned - not given.

Also according to which standard it is ok United to be on 16 points after 12 games and not call for the manager to being sacked?
 
I'm not sold on Pochettino as United's next manager. He had years at Spurs and couldn't win one. They never looked like winning the two cup finals they played in under him and they lost an FA Cup semi against United pretty meekly under him too.
 
Mainoldo said:
I wonder if Levy was thinking the same thing. Let’s see who’s rebuilding takes place quicker. Ole’s or Jose’s. I guarantee you they finish above us next season if the same managers remain.
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I wouldn't bet on it, mate. Some players might not take to Mourinho, and we've seen how this can pan out.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Bollocks. First of all some managers have earned their time at a club or even at a new job like Poch. The rest were parachuted to the job due being a former player and having previous stints in Norway and Cardiff.

Of course if a credible manager should have different standard that the one we currently have and is for a reason. Respect and time are earned - not given.

Also according to which standard it is ok United to be on 16 points after 12 games and not call for the manager to being sacked?
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Agree with this.

I hope the board can look at the long term picture and realise that a chance to sign a proven manager doesn't come along often. We should have fired LVG when Klopp was available and now we should be in for Poch.
 
Xaviesta said:
I'm not sold on Pochettino as United's next manager. He had years at Spurs and couldn't win one. They never looked like winning the two cup finals they played in under him and they lost an FA Cup semi against United pretty meekly under him too.
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Agree with this largely.

Pochettino hasn't won anything and has failed at every final hurdle (or before) in doing so. Yes he's done wonders on a small budget but so have other managers and won things. The first time in his 5 year stint at Tottenham he's encountered a divided dressing room and poor results, and he's been completely unable to turn it around, despite a large majority of the players owing him their careers. For me that says a lot about how he fairs when times are difficult and I just don't believe he has the ruthlessness or cutting edge to win league titles.

I'd even go as far to say Rodgers is a better appointment than him. At least he has experienced the expectation of winning and the grind that goes with being top of the league and everyone wanting to beat you. It may only be Scotland but he knows exactly how to keep a team on track and focussed.
 
HowYouDoin said:
Its a no brainer. Ole isnt the guy to take us forward, we all know he is limited. Us getting Poch IMO is a matter of when, not if. Likely sooner than later not really contingent on anything cuz both parties want to make it happen so its only a matter of time.
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It's not a no brainer.

Uprooting the plan YET again isn't the way forward. Picking YET another manager isn't the way forward. Picking one that has never won a thing and doesn't have the mentality to want to win everything is not the way forward.

There are as many question marks over Poch and his ability as there are with Ole.

People point to the whole 'he did wonders with a small budget' but then they did the exact same thing with David Moyes and look how that turned out.
 
Sanchez7 said:
Agree with this.

I hope the board can look at the long term picture and realise that a chance to sign a proven manager doesn't come along often. We should have fired LVG when Klopp was available and now we should be in for Poch.
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Klopp won back to back leagues with Dortmund. Not comparable.
 
Sanchez7 said:
Agree with this.

I hope the board can look at the long term picture and realise that a chance to sign a proven manager doesn't come along often. We should have fired LVG when Klopp was available and now we should be in for Poch.
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So everytime a decent ( havn't won anything yet) manager comes along, Sack the existing manager. That's the way to go.
 
Mainoldo said:
Poch is wasn’t given 12 months to contribute shite. He earned his years at Spurs which is why it was a hard decision. Half the fan base wouldn’t blink an eye lid if Ole got sacked tomorrow.
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Enigma_87 said:
Bollocks. First of all some managers have earned their time at a club or even at a new job like Poch. The rest were parachuted to the job due being a former player and having previous stints in Norway and Cardiff.

Of course if a credible manager should have different standard that the one we currently have and is for a reason. Respect and time are earned - not given.

Also according to which standard it is ok United to be on 16 points after 12 games and not call for the manager to being sacked?
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So we should entirely base ourselves on what managers have done in other clubs? Jose had won 10x more than Poch have, and that didn't turn out to great now did it. Poch earning his stripes in London would mean feck all to our impatient and entitled fans and you both know it.

Poch has done a decent job at Spurs, nothing more. He took an up and coming squad and cemented them in the top 4 at the expense of us and/or Arsenal and Liverpool, but that was about as much about us being shite as them being brilliant.

Is he a great squad builder? No, that honor goes to Levy since he handles the transfers
Does he bring trophies? No, not so far anyways
Does he handle the pressure at big clubs? Seems not. Every time Spurs seems to be onto a trophy they collapse. Last years UCL final wasn't even a contest

Poch needs a break from managing and taking over us now would be stupid. If he fails to improve us do we sack him in May? What kind of precedent do we set then?
 
HowYouDoin said:
Its a no brainer. Ole isnt the guy to take us forward, we all know he is limited. Us getting Poch IMO is a matter of when, not if. Likely sooner than later not really contingent on anything cuz both parties want to make it happen so its only a matter of time.
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“We feel the players we have signed this summer demonstrates this approach is the right one. Returning to the roots of our club’s ethos of youth led, attacking football is the right way forward and everyone at the club remain resolute in our desire to get Manchester United back to the top of English football.

“We will continue to make the necessary investments to make this happen. This long-term approach to building a squad is the right one.”
 
Bobcat said:
So we should entirely base ourselves on what managers have done in other clubs? Jose had won 10x more than Poch have, and that didn't turn out to great now did it. Poch earning his stripes in London would mean feck all to our impatient and entitled fans and you both know it.

Poch has done a decent job at Spurs, nothing more. He took an up and coming squad and cemented them in the top 4 at the expense of us and/or Arsenal and Liverpool, but that was about as much about us being shite as them being brilliant.

Is he a great squad builder? No, that honor goes to Levy since he handles the transfers
Does he bring trophies? No, not so far anyways
Does he handle the pressure at big clubs? Seems not. Every time Spurs seems to be onto a trophy they collapse. Last years UCL final wasn't even a contest

Poch needs a break from managing and taking over us now would be stupid. If he fails to improve us do we sack him in May? What kind of precedent do we set then?
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A big portion of our expectations and patience should be based on what have managers done at other clubs - it's how it works. If you have credentials and you are proven enough you will get more time to try get your ideas across. It's basic notion and implies not only in football but any kind of management.

Is Poch better than what we have and would he be an improvement to Ole? This is the question you need to ask yourself, because Ole is neither a good manager, coach and also a squad builder considering his transfer business in the Summer.
 
davidmichael said:
If we had a straight up choice between Pochettino and Rodgers who would people choose ?
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probably Rogers, we need more time with Ole, if it doesn't work out then go in for Rogers. Poch would probably want to be back in a club soon.
 
crossy1686 said:
Agree with this largely.

Pochettino hasn't won anything and has failed at every final hurdle (or before) in doing so. Yes he's done wonders on a small budget but so have other managers and won things. The first time in his 5 year stint at Tottenham he's encountered a divided dressing room and poor results, and he's been completely unable to turn it around, despite a large majority of the players owing him their careers. For me that says a lot about how he fairs when times are difficult and I just don't believe he has the ruthlessness or cutting edge to win league titles.

I'd even go as far to say Rodgers is a better appointment than him. At least he has experienced the expectation of winning and the grind that goes with being top of the league and everyone wanting to beat you. It may only be Scotland but he knows exactly how to keep a team on track and focussed.
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I can't agree with that. He won titles in a one horse race. He didn't win the PL and Pochettino has, in my view achieved more here.

It's right to make the point that he didn't win the league with Spurs - especially when they couldn't do it the year Leicester did which was clearly a massive opportunity. That notwithstanding, its very difficult to win the PL without massive resources. He has massively overachieved on a small budget and that deserves respect and in my view, will get him a move to a top club (although whether it's here is another question).

He's taken Spurs to a new level on a shoestring and the fact that the wheels have come off is in my view largely due to under investment in the squad over the last few years. Other clubs have improved whilst they have stood still and along with that he's had to deal with players whinging about being underpaid, players running down contracts and (if the press are to be believed) issues in the squad completely outside of his control.

He's a manager who players seem to like playing for, who plays attractive football, can manage on a sensible budget and promotes and develops young players. He's been loyal to Spurs in the face of other offers as well.

You would only know if he can step up to the challenge here if he was given the chance, but if I was a club owner He's exactly the sort of manager I'd be after.
 
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