Under Ten Hag could Pogba have been sensational?

No.

In order to play and succeed under Ten Hag, you have to show a dose of discipline (following instructions), commitment (work rate) and intelligence (namely quick execution and sound positioning). During the time Pogba played for us, he has not shown those parts outside of the few flashes of brilliance.

With history being what it is, he is just not manageable when things don't go his way. He and Lingard were the most toxic players in our squad, and I don't regret one bit that they are both gone.
 
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TheReligion said:
Not sure why that is relevant to what’s being discussed
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TheReligion said:
I get all that but I’m asking in terms of his skill set and flaws. Could Ten Hag have worked the best out of him?
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It’s relevant. He couldn’t stay fit for five minutes here and the same is happening at Juve. Why would you look past his injury record?

It's like asking if Phil Jones could be sensational under ten Hag. In terms of his skill set.
 
Samid said:
It’s relevant. He couldn’t stay fit for five minutes here and the same is happening at Juve. Why would you look past his injury record?

It's like asking if Phil Jones could be sensational under ten Hag. In terms of his skill set.
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No it’s not.
 
TheReligion said:
Essentially what De Jong is (although weaker defensively).
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Almost like playing with one man shirt defensively, but I miss Pogba’s drive forward (on his best) when he put the team in position to outnumber the opponent.
 
We were told that Pogba needs many special types of players around him... and then he would shine.

Now, we are asked if perhaps he also needs a special type of manager?

What about the grass? Does he need a special type of grass?
 
As others have stated Pogba takes way too long on the ball to be any use to a manager like ETH. His lack of work rate would also infuriate him! That’s before getting into his awful injury proneness.
 
frostbite said:
We were told that Pogba needs many special types of players around him... and then he would shine.

Now, we are asked if perhaps he also needs a special type of manager?

What about the grass? Does he need a special type of grass?
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I think you’re being a bit OTT

Pogba is a player who I felt needed discipline, structure and a hands on coach. Not sure he got all of that under Mourinho, Ole and Rangnick.

Ten Hag is already improving some of the squad in his short time at the club and given the weaknesses Pogba has I feel he could have worked with him in these areas.

I use Pogba as he’s quite close to the FDJ skill set in my opinion and it’s clear that’s what Ten Hag wants in the middle and also the work he already did with FDJ whilst at Ajax.
 
If he was healthy? Of course. Gotta love people that think there's no way because he "took too much time on the ball" when we've seen Scott fecking McTominay look miles better under ETH. Pogba would have been fantastic in that Eriksen role next to Casemiro I think, but it's all hypothetical and he's been pretty injury prone for a bit now.

Also there's so much baggage there that our fans would have hounded him the first time he lost the ball in midfield.
 
Pogba if he could stay fit would have been great under ETH. Think most posters are forgetting how ETH has turned around Dalot, McT and now we are seeing improvements from DDG. Amazing what difference a good manager can make to a player.
 
No. Very happy he’s not our problem anymore. We would lose a game where he was injured and everyone would be saying oh we are much worse without him. The media distraction he created and his lack of fitness were a huge negative for the club. So glad he didn’t sign the new deal we were offering.
 
He'd have been in the same boat as Martial.

Oles mismanagement broke them - their injury records have been terrible since.
 
Ali Dia said:
No. Very happy he’s not our problem anymore. We would lose a game where he was injured and everyone would be saying oh we are much worse without him. The media distraction he created and his lack of fitness were a huge negative for the club. So glad he didn’t sign the new deal we were offering.
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This wasn't what the OP asked at all. He didn't say "should we have kept Pogba"
 
For me, he is overrated by miles and miles. To show up once in 10 games is not good enough. Also, I have no idea how, for example, his lack of workrate and lack of tactical awareness would make TenHag intrested to play him.
 
Not as a deep playmaker. He's not a deep playmaker. Used correctly he could have been sensational, in the most advanced role
 
Pogba has ability but he lacks something that other great MU midfielders had - to lose him for free but replace him with Erikkson has turned out for the best imo
 
ETH could probably have made him a better player technically and tacitcally wise, which in itself would have made a big difference.
But whether it would fit our needs is harder to speculate on.

It seems to me that the only times Pogba was at his absolute best (pre injuries)- for Juve and for France- it looks like he didn't try to make things about himself. Would ETH have been able to make Pogba all about United winning, sometimes as ugly as one can only imagine?

A shame really. Could have been talked about for years to come with the talent and attributes he had.
 
If he listened to him and applied himself, but they are massive hypotheticals.
 
He could have been sensational under any of our managers. The best players can shine even if the team doesn't.
 
It's about positioning, in a 4-2-3-1 system I don't think so. In a three man midfield with Casemiro at the the base then maybe. The best version of Pogba at United was under Ole when Paul had similar responsibilities to his system at Juve with Matic, Herrera and Pogba. Everything up until the PSG home game he was in top form.
 
He played in a midfield two with France during the world cup they won dictating play from deep. I don't see why he can not do it with a manager like ETH.
 
Its an interesting question...I think our style of play of late would suite him perfectly, both by his ideal position and elite set of traits. On the flip side hes extremely thinned skinned...and while I think Ronaldo and Casemiro have positively handled ETH's method of starting the best 11 he sees during the week...Im not sure Pogba's ego could handle that. Or, it might have ben exactly what would have motivated him. Like I said...its a very interesting question that I sort of wish we could have found out. I know Pogba used to love chatting about Ajax in the barbers chair....
 
MUnchies said:
He played in a midfield two with France during the world cup they won dictating play from deep. I don't see why he can not do it with a manager like ETH.
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I'm pretty sure this has been proven mamy times Pogba doesn't play in midfield two for France, there's always another supporting midfielder.

Anyway, if I look at his skill set, he would do great in midfield three with Casemiro and Eriksen. He needs to be free of defensive duties to be at his best.

That said, his skills have never been an issue, rather mentality, discipline, focus, willingness to dribble past multiple opponents in his own half etc. This guy is seriously overrated (because of very high ceiling), but I'm very glad he's someone else's problem now.
 
Quite obviously yes, injuries aside
 
I think the players who won't jive with a coach like EtH are the ones who don't want to do the work. The type who are talented and content in riding their gifts. Pogba is one of those. Maguire probably is as well, though if he is not then he will rebuild his game under this staff.
 
Boondog said:
I think the players who won't jive with a coach like EtH are the ones who don't want to do the work. The type who are talented and content in riding their gifts. Pogba is one of those. Maguire probably is as well, though if he is not then he will rebuild his game under this staff.
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He won't but that's because he lacks the talent
 
ROFLUTION said:
I think he’d be worse.

He’s rarely been a system-player, dwells way too much on the ball for that. Terrible at being press resistant. Profile-wise there’s too much attention on him too (in a bad way) - Ten Hag wouldn’t fancy all the shit Pogba has going on outside the football-field.

in almost every field it would be bad imo. Italy suits him.
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what “systems” has he been part of? Attacking ones anyway. He’s somehow spent his whole senior career under defensive coaches. He’d have been brilliant under someone like Ten Hag, not now he’s physically finished though
 
Cassidy said:
He won't but that's because he lacks the talent
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I think Maguire has a good talent level. He's not at the level of say Varane because he's too slow, but he has enough speed for the position. Good size and strength, and once upon a time good instincts. I think bad habits ruined his game and he needs to buy in with the staff on working to change them.
 
Boondog said:
I think Maguire has a good talent level. He's not at the level of say Varane because he's too slow, but he has enough speed for the position. Good size and strength, and once upon a time good instincts. I think bad habits ruined his game and he needs to buy in with the staff on working to change them.
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But lacks positional understanding which is key
 
This thread is quite funny, anyway
 
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