Exactly! They have no consideration for those of us with numerology ocd.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Exactly! They have no consideration for those of us with numerology ocd.
What do you think an EU referendum would do the Tory party? I can't see how they'd stay united through it - Cameron and the modernists on one side, the old school, anti-EU backbenchers on the other, campaigning against each other.
I agree. Although hasn't Cameron already promised a EU referendum if they win the election?
Personally I wouldn't let you vote Thierry, simply because you voted Valdes will be Uniteds number one keeper and De Gea his number two
That was a spoiled ballot protest at the lack of E) boue in the poll.I agree. Although hasn't Cameron already promised a EU referendum if they win the election?
Personally I wouldn't let you vote Thierry, simply because you voted Valdes will be Uniteds number one keeper and De Gea his number two
I agree. Although hasn't Cameron already promised a EU referendum if they win the election?
Personally I wouldn't let you vote Thierry, simply because you voted Valdes will be Uniteds number one keeper and De Gea his number two
He's promised a referendum, but he'll end up in a situation where some of his party supports EU membership, while others may end up going against that stance. Could be hugely divisive for the Tories.
Wasn't there some sort of caveat that it would be a referendum if he couldn't negotiate better terms with Merkel, or am I getting my wires crossed?
Not sure actually, although I think he'll give a referendum anyway. Even if he does negotiate better terms, not giving a referendum is essentially giving UKIP ammo with the whole, "We want democracy" line. It'd probably make more sense for Cameron to try and negotiate better terms, and hold a referendum while saying to the public that "these are the better terms we have on offer", to try and convince them that way. Just not holding one at all is going to piss a lot of people off I expect.
Yeah I understand that.
I think his plan is to negotiate better terms, than hold a successful referendum keeping Britain in the EU. He's failing at the first part, so not sure how that will affect his plans for the second.
The main point is that it's all after the next election. He'll basically hope to get elected and then attempt to work it out from there. It'll be fun to watch, as the anti/pro europe elements of his party collide.
A simple referendum is going to have no impact if the outcome isn't satisfactory for those who wanted it in the first place. As you have already implied in your conversation and potential link up with UKIP (which isn't going to happen at all) that it is just about appeasing people. We aren't going to be appeased by simple measures such as a meaningless referendum. Hypothetically, if UKIP did join a coalition then another party would arise until such talk turns into action. The tide has never been more against being in the EU and with various mass demonstrations for all reasons people are realising that they do actually posse power and don't have to go along with what is dictated to them.
Thee would be some division to be sure, although not as much as there once might have been (the 2010 intake of MPs swelled the ranks of the EUrosceptics to quite a degree IIRC). Pragmatism ought to win out for Cameron in the end; he can't afford to have Farage, or more dangerously Boris, be seen as the face of victory in such a referendum. Besides which, for a leader to openly campaign against the vast majority of their party and likely lose, well that's game over.
If possible he'll try to attain significant reforms by way of renegotiation, however if they fail to materialise...
Agreed it will be funny.
I'm quite shocked at how close the bookies have the betting odds. Tories/Lib coalition the favourite at 4/1 but Labour majority tied second favourite with Labour minority at 9/2.
Basically if Labour had a more likeable/electable leader I think the Tories would be fecked. Poor Ed just doesn't have the personality or charisma and is mocked by pretty much everyone. I just feel he isn't really taken very seriously.
That's his main problem. A leader can arguably get away without being the most popular if his party is doing well and has some good policies, but if he isn't really taken seriously then that's a major problem. I don't think anyone can really envisage him as the countries PM all that seriously.
Christ, I thought MajorTom was taking the piss at first, but it becomes more and more apparent that he's actually insane.
That's the thing. He could have the best policies in the world, but his image is almost beyond repair.
Not true.
This seems to be the majority opinion that people have, but it's unlikely to be the case. Latest poll from Ipsos Mori has a) 56% in support of staying in the EU against 36% wanting out, and b) This gap being at its highest level for 23 years. Not to mention that there's no way a business-backed politician like Cameron would get away with supporting an exit, despite what the backbench of his party screams about in the DM.
Note - Though I'm fairly sceptical of that second graph - can't quite believe that a fully representative poll would have swung so much (both ways) in the last six years.
Agreed. Yet he showed incredible restraint and dignity when having to endure the brutally spiteful and completely unjust attacks from The Daily Mail. I though he handled that extremely well. Yet Cameron just shrugs and laughs off leaving his daughter in a pub and chained his bike so it could just be lifted over the railings and was thus stolen. But Ed is seemed as the more incompetent.
Nothing I have said is illogical, irrational, stupid, idiotic etc. What does represent those traits is your response.
How ipsos Mori conduct their polls is up for debate. We haven't been in the EU for 23 years either in terms of our actual integration as of today. The one and only referendum that has been held since being in the European Community which we joined in 73 was in 75 and that was a 66% yes vote. In the referendum that will take place in the near future it will have a majority nowhere near that number, if it does actually transpire to be a majority yes vote. Those who are for it have always voted for such, those who are against it haven't but will this time not just in the referendum but for who they vote for to take up parliament.
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Is any prospective Labour leader likely to offer policies which are considerably more appealing than (or visionary) than Ed's? Whose aren't worthy of much note to begin with. I've not heard the least hint of any.
He should've tried to spin it in a different angle. Instead of looking like an idiot who isn't taken seriously, use it to his advantage to come across as a normal, slightly awkward underdog. It'd have gone down much better with the public I reckon.
Probably not. I think he'll be dumped if/when they lose the election and there'll be calls for his brother to put himself forward again.
edit: I know that means him getting back into politics etc, before people accuse me of being too much of a loon.
I still maintain that electing Ed over Dave was a generational error by the party. Whoever wins this year's election will take all the credit for the economic recovery, which means that winning this election will put the winners in pole position to win the next one.
Indeed the fact that the tories supped from the poisoned chalice of the 2010 election and are still alive shows how duff Ed & Labour have been.
Hell, I'm a lifelong labour supporter and even Im not sure I want Ed as PM...
He's already dropped a couple of hints i believe.
Do you think they saw him as a bit too Blairish?
A Blairite who was accused of deceiving the public about the Lisbon Treaty, during a parliament where we might have a referendum on the EU, there would at least be daylight between the two parties.
Historically I've been a Labour voter, but I'm moving towards the Greens this election. Or SNP if the UK wide candidate is as good as my local one.
Arguably. There was a period of over-correction after the last election when the party looked like it might veer to the left. That was the environment that the leadership election took place in. Even then it was super narrow margins, and it was only because every Union supported Ed M (after Ed B lost).
Agree 100%.
Even I had to google that to remember the details, I doubt very much that the public would make much of it.
They would, however, remember the banana.
I'd forgotten about that. However, I think it was a bit of scaremongering to keep us more closely integrated with europe at the time, which is what Labour still want isn't it?
Anyway, I just don't see many "big hitters" that the average man on the street will get behind if Ed gets the chop, which Is why I have a suspicion there will be calls for Dave.
Yvette Cooper would make a bid i suspect, and there'd be calls for Alan Johnson to steady the ship too. I don't follow the party closely enough to know, perhaps there is some charismatic young MP waiting their moment.
Chuka Umunna is the obvious figures from the relative newcomers. He'd be a popular public figure but from what I understand he'd lack support from the PLP.
Believe it or not, Ed was seen as the less weird, more relateable one before he won the leadership.
I'll vote either Green or Labour, I'm quite torn between who I'll vote for.
I've even thought about the deciding factor being related to whether I'm at my parents or at university on election day.
I've even thought about the deciding factor being related to whether I'm at my parents or at university on election day.
Yeah, the idea that David is this super charismatic, electable, Blair figure is ridiculous.
And as someone else mentioned him, Chuka's been a real let down too.
Constituency dependent then? I'd probably vote Green if they felt there was a point in standing in my constituency, but there's not, so they won't.
I think he's got a lot better since he lost the election in fact, seems far more comfortable with himself and less stilted as he doesn't have to gear every action towards winning the leadership. But yeah, the union vote wasn't the only reason he didn't become leader, his campaign just wasn't very impressive at all. If there was a true Blair-like figure around now (in any party), they'd stick out like a sore thumb. Cameron tried and did a pretty shit impersonation.
Precisely that!
Maybe my first reply could've been better portrayed but given what I was watching on TV at the time it had some influence on my reply to a simple minded smiley. Not to say it wasn't what I was thinking at the time or even now. As I have stated there's various areas of France that are actual sharia law zones by law, this applies to many countries across Europe too but as of yet not written in actual law. That will change in the immediate future. Don't know about you but I don't want a barbaric system inside of my country. You can easily find the information for yourself and Holland in particular has some dangerous scenarios on the horizon.
In the UK there's over 100 sharia law courts, these are implemented within the Tribunal Courts and some of these laws from the beginning of last year have been implemented into common law. In various cities across the UK you can see with your own eyes posters that have been put up that state "you are now entering a sharia controlled zone, Islamic rules enforced", this is not some silly theory, this is factual. You can dismiss all you like about it becoming common law but with the passive actions currently implemented against the aggressive actions currently implemented there's only going to be one outcome in the eventual future.
I wasn't going to reply as "it is going off topic" but why not. It will be all I say on the matter in this thread though if you so wish.