I'll tactically vote Lib Dem. Our current MP is Lib Dem and Labour has no chance in our constituency.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Maybe slightly offtopic but as an interested observer from the continent I want to ask: are there any plans to reform the voting system in the UK? As I understand, a very high number of votes are simply lost in this first past the post system, lots of votes literally do not count at all in the end. In theory, a party could get ALL seats with 51% of all votes. That seems wrong to me, even if it will never actually happen.
We had the alternative vote referendum in 2011 which was 68-32% in favour of not wanting change. Nothing recent has been put forward.
A party needs 326 seats out of 650 to win outright but because it's first past the post the percentage of overall votes can be much lower. In 2005 for example Labour had 413 seats with 40% of the vote whilst the Conservatives had only 166 seats with 31%.
In theory it's 326 but because Sinn Fein don't take their seats it's less. They have 5 seats and will probably get 5 again.
One of the things I'm most looking forward to is the outright panic in the English media when it's first publically suggested that the SNP could hold the balance of power.
The particular hot potato is already out of the oven i think. Didn't it contribute to the whispering campaign against Miliband couple of months ago?
For someone who has declared themselves to be a member of the Labour Party, i find your amusement somewhat puzzling. Without a marked change in Ed's policy toward the West Lothian Question, any form of coalition or informal relationship could only be highly damaging in the long run. This potentially strengthens the bargainingposition of the Lib Dems, even if they are weaker in terms of MPs.
I'll be voting lib dem. Not happy that they went into the coalition, mainly because i thought it was a stupid thing to do with only one inevitable outcome (lib dems the scapegoat).
My prediction is a lib/lab coalition from a hung parliament
My prediction is a lib/lab coalition from a hung parliament
Conservative/UKIP coalition at 20/1
Wider odds than you'd expect, although I suppose it's going to take a lot for the Tories to go into a coalition with UKIP considering how hated they are by the people who don't vote for them.
Green.
Forever and always.
Forever and always.
UKIP.
Time to take back control of our country.
Time to take back control of our country.
loool
Funny isn't it. I don't think you will be laughing when it becomes a reality, which will be long before a Prime Minister wants to implement Sharia law.
This is ground control to @MajorTom
Take your protein pills and put your tin foil helmet on.
Take your protein pills and put your tin foil helmet on.
I don't know about that, i can envisage a scenario in which Cameron uses a short-lived alliance with UKIP to secure an overall majority at a snap election. Hold the EU referendum, be seen as one of the victors, call the country to the polls with his approval ratings high. Moreover, getting it over and done with would go some way towards neutering the threat posed by UKIP.
Yeah, Bill. It certainly isn't talking place on a massive scale across Europe now and in the actual country where a terrorist attack has taken place which has sections of land that is ruled by Sharia law. Open your eyes before someone removes them for you.
What kind of country has elections in odd numbered years?
So out of interest, what would your attitude/policy to immigration be? Out of the EU so it can be more controlled? Or a complete ban?
Possibly, although if it went wrong then the Tories would get a major backlash for being the party that allowed UKIP to hold power.
Simple, a stop to (wait for it) mass immigration. The only reason immigration takes place is for economic gain. That gain isn't seen by any of the working or middle class anyway. Only by those who are the elite. The sooner the BRIC nations rise the better.
I think UKIP have ruled out a formal coalition haven't they? Think they said they'd have a agreement to vote with the Tories on policies they agreed with, but not be bound by the whips.
That said they change what they say every week so maybe that was last week's policy..
Quoting Anjem Choudary now.
Really?
He's a professional shit stirrer/hate preacher. Loves his cheetos though!
Sorry, clarify 'mass' immigration?
One of the things I'm most looking forward to is the outright panic in the English media when it's first publically suggested that the SNP could hold the balance of power.
That'd be....interesting
Fair enough, your opinion and that...it's just I find it hard to take what you're saying here seriously when you're suggesting that we're going to end up under Sharia Law.
Yeah it's a stupid and antiquated system designed for two-party rule. Why there isn't more clamour for change alongside the frequent complaints over lack of choice for the electorate, I'm really not sure.
Quoting Anjem Choudary now.
Really?
He's a professional shit stirrer/hate preacher. Loves his cheetos though!
Do you think that image has any bearing on a vast amount of people who want the same actions as him. These stupid little memes, images have absolute no bearing other than to serve your own reality by making out that it isn't a problem. How about the march in London last year by several thousand people chanting that the UK can burn in hell and death to the British police etc. Why people can't see the wood from the trees is beyond me or due to the little gadgets that you have in your hands that seem to be the be all and end all.
Fair enough, your opinion and that...it's just I find it hard to take what you're saying here seriously when you're suggesting that we're going to end up under Sharia Law.
It isn't as funny as you laughing off the possibility. The foundations haven't just been laid, they're set and the floors are continuing to rise.
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It's been talked about plenty, but how powerful they're on track to end up isn't common knowledge outside of Scotland. My family's Scottish, so I always enjoy watching the way Salmond and the SNP get talked about (and ridiculed) in the English media. When the suggestion of SNP being in power is first properly raised it's going to be that x100.
Like I said, I'm currently a somewhat reluctant Labour supporter, and would probably vote SNP if I lived in Scotland. Some form of EVEL (maybe my favourite acronym in British politics) is inevitable, though I personally don't think it's wise in such an asymmetric Union. A Labour/ SNP/ potentially Lib Dem coalition would be fine for me, maybe even the most sensible option available.
People just aren't comfortable with the idea of constant coalitions, though more elections like this one and that will probably change.
Fair enough, your opinion and that...it's just I find it hard to take what you're saying here seriously when you're suggesting that we're going to end up under Sharia Law.
Also, how can you actually laugh? You do realise that Sharia law already exists and is in action as they don't believe in the law of lands and believe in the law of god, the divine law aka sharia law. The actions that are justified from that belief too are absolutely barbaric. I will point to the country that is currently undergoing such terrorist attacks as to what those just means are.
What is this gadget business about. Are you assuming we're all more interested in our phones than being constantly on the look out for Radicalised Muslims?
Perhaps I should make you aware that I have an App which uses my phone's camera to record bearded asians, and the microphone immediately starts recording if it hears any foreign languages and/or the name mohammed.
It's a large leap to go from a minority of disaffected and/or radicalised muslims to the UK being under Sharia Law.
As for the march, I'm sure the Police and security services were quite happily letting them get on with it whilst gathering images and data about as many participants as they could spot.
I posted the Meme about Choudary, because he is a joke. The Police arrested him a while back, and the minute he does anything else then he'll be arrested again. The guy preaches all this crap, yet he used to be as "westernised" as anybody.
No, I'm suggesting that you don't care about what is actually happening around you as you are more concerned with consumerism like 9/10 people in what is turning into an absolute shit hole. You only have to take a look at The Interview film to see what people consider freedom in western societies. Your accusation of racism is typical of the narrow minds that you face when talking about UKIP and being against Sharia law.
I didn't accuse you of racism. You said "time to take back control of our country"
I may be wrong, but that would suggest you're not a fan of foreigners and/or muslims.
I was merely playing with stereotypes and the way you're putting your views across.
You seem to be suggesting that a muslim revolution is about to take place and the UK will be under sharia law, unless we vote for Ukip. I think that's a bit of a large leap.
If this is intended to be a mega thread for the General Election in May, i wonder if it might not be better to take a narrow discussion on Sharia Law to another or new topic? Perhaps the Religion one?
I don't think even the UKIP hierarchy are in fear of Britain becoming an emirate by the way.
I don't think even the UKIP hierarchy are in fear of Britain becoming an emirate by the way.
Why is "Won't be voting" twice on the poll?
Our is a collective term. The collective is everyone who is currently residing in this land, residing and abiding with our current law. You do realise that in this land we no longer dictate what our laws are. So when I say take back our country I mean exactly that, to take back our country. It isn't hard to deduce if you are actually aware of where the power structure is that I want it to be in this country again. That is too hard for you though as you throw in accusations of being anti-muslim, anti-foreigner. Voting UKIP does entail stopping immigration on the scale that it is now. That is a plus for the NHS, for housing, for employment, for the numeration you receive for said employment etc. One thing I am with 100% conviction is anti-sharia law. That is without question and I'll ask you what are your thoughts on that system?
Sharia law is already happening in many western countries. They don't believe in law of lands and only that of their prophet. Is that difficult for you to understand? Just because someone at this moment in time isn't getting stoned to death does not mean they agree that someone isn't getting punished by said means for being homosexual, for adultery. Getting their hand chopped off for theft, female genital mutation etc.
I'm laughing at the assertion that the UK is going to end up under Sharia Law, which is a ridiculous assertion, not at Sharia Law itself which is barbaric as you say.
There are some areas of the UK (namely in Scotland, for example), where you've got parts that don't have a large Muslim influence. Surely for a country to end up under Sharia Law, that would have to be the case? The UK parliament doesn't have a strong Muslim influence, for example. Granted, that can change, but we're not going to end up under Sharia Law.
Ok, read the following exchange and you'll see why I took my position.
I may be wrong, but the above reads to me like the "our country" had more sinister intent than you'd admit.
What western countries are currently run by sharia law then? I'm genuinely interested.
Certain people may practice it within enclosed communities in certain countries, but surely it's western societies responsibility to engage people and help them integrate, rather than moan about it and treat them with suspicion. It's also the responsibility of people that live in enclosed communities to try and branch out and integrate with western culture. Somehow we need to make it work.
Anyway, as @Nick 0208 Ldn said. This is going off topic now, despite initially stemming from your explanation of your Ukip vote.
My explanation for that is on the first page. I was in the process of changing the poll when it was voted on so it saved the original poll plus some additions. I asked if a mod could help change the pol for me (us) or delete it and I can start a new one.
Yes it is intended to still be here in May. Hence why I want to change the poll so we can do another poll after all the debates/party broadcasts and manifestos have been viewed.