You must be joking! What survey was this?!
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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I imagine if you got the demographic of the people who are protesting it would be fairly easy to see if they don't really know or understand what they are asking for and what it would give them.
The general public, especially certain sections, (I include myself in this) are spectacularly stupid sometimes.
All? Probably not. 99% or more? Probably.
Sorry mate, I realised afterwards but I wasn't able to put things right. I would have pointed out that, despite being a bleeding Socialist, your one of the nicest guys on here and your personal circumstances have nothing to do with scrounging.
Sounds reasonable to me. I'd say that racism is very widespread.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you.
That probably didn't come out correctly. I mean you're right, which is rather damming.
^ It was actually 13% for Labour; the findings were such that no paper would wish to draw an excess ofattention to them (20%+ for Tories asked).
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/23/ukip-is-officially-the-most-racist-party_n_6733996.html
Whilst the figures are higher for those nominally on the right of politics, the percentages are unsatisfactory for all concerned. You could even speculate that the reality actually worse, as there will be those who feel uncomfortable in publicly acknowledging any form of prejudice. I scale of anti-Semitism is likely worse than the final analysis reveals.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/23/ukip-is-officially-the-most-racist-party_n_6733996.html
Whilst the figures are higher for those nominally on the right of politics, the percentages are unsatisfactory for all concerned. You could even speculate that the reality actually worse, as there will be those who feel uncomfortable in publicly acknowledging any form of prejudice. I scale of anti-Semitism is likely worse than the final analysis reveals.
Yeah, but I mean I haven't looked at it, but how was the question phrased?
Are the people who admitted to being racist for the Tories, Lib Dems and Labour, just being brutally honest with themselves? As Matt Syed said, the problem isn't the Suarez' of this world, its people like you and me, who can be racist without realising it. There have been a myriad of studies showing that everyone behaves racist in certain conditions.
I've said racist things when my ability to articulate a sentence hasn't caught up with what something complex I've been trying to say. I've also acted in a racist way without meaning to (although I struggle to think of an example at the moment).
In my experience, racial abuse is a very complex issue. I have family friends who I would say are racist, and say racist things on a regular basis, but they themselves probably just would say they aren't racist and are sick of PC Britain. Other people try to be as non-racist as humanly possibly, but will say and do racist things on the right setting.
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They have a scary number of council seats too don't they?
Doh. There goes another of my wacky theories, along with 'ghosts are real, dammit!', 'Ed will be PM' and 'Why can't Carrick play like Platini?'
The hot potato is sexual preferences.
Yeah I have an in-law that's like this. I know a lot of it is joking but it still makes you feel very uncomfortable. Also a big Tory.
Also, from our new Justice Secretary:
Tbf people can change their views over a 17 year period.
Yep, I agree.
How the hell did he go from linking Bentley's posthumous pardon to it being right to bring back hanging though? Utterly crazy view.
Gove's a well known dimwit.
That very much likes the sound of his own voice, particularly when saying controversial things with a thesaurus on hand.
But yeah, I'm aware he's not going to being back hanging. Just pointing out his tendency towards being a cnut.
Although he will be scrapping the Human Rights Act, woop woop.
God knows. Am surprised he has been given such a prominent post given how hated he was as education sec though.
Absolutely. I think one of the main problems with the Labour campaign was that they targeted people that would vote for them regardless. The mansion tax is a great example of a policy that would gain no extra support with swing voters. That's why Blair did so well: ignore the people in central London, Manchester, Sunderland etc who'll vote for you even if you punch them in the face. Target the middle third of voters.
The Conservatives on the other hand adopted the popular Lib Dem policy of taking the lowest earners out of tax altogether. That's probably one if the reasons why c. 20 seats swung their way.
And, indeed, Scotland...
You'd need to write 3 manifestos: the one they did write, appealing to the conurbations; a proper left-wing one to appeal to Scotland; and a 'we're just like the Tories but would look after the NHS' one for the shires.
Ed prepared to stay on the front bench - http://www.theguardian.com/politics...offer-frontbench-support-to-new-labour-leader
Would be somewhat surprised by this.
Would be somewhat surprised by this.
Who ironically they lost anyway despite moving closer to their traditional values.
Quite. The damage was done by Blair. Then, obviousy, in the way the referendum was fought, but there would've been no SNP rise and independence debate were it not for first Thatcher destroying the Tories in Scotland and then Blair doing the same for Labour.
I agree that UKIP attracts a lot of racists but I'd guesstimate the figure to be a lot lower. A reasonable % had some legitimate concerns about immigration. However I think that really UKIP has served it's purpose - they opened up the debate about immigration and all the major parties have since changed their policies on immigration - for example changing the amount of years of residency before being eligible for benefits.
Of course it also depends on how we are defining racism. I'm from Devon originally and UKIP got a lot of votes down there. This is a county comparatively untouched by immigration, yet many decent and reasonable folk do seem a bit scared of immigrants. I think the majority aren't racist but they have had so little interaction with foreigners that they do have some ingrained, underlying fear - perpetuated by the media mostly. They are uneducated in terms of cultural diversity but I don't think the majority are aggressively intolerant enough to be classified as racist.
I'm not sure it was Blair that did the damage in Scotland. Labour still won the majority of seats in the 2010 election.
I thought he should stay as leader.
I think I said previously I expected a couple of years on the back benches before he returned like haigue
It would seem strange after such a bad performance to have him as such an easy target for the conservatives (and snp)
Yep. I was surprised by how many of my age group/social set who are socially very liberal voted Tory just because it's the first time they've been earning enough to be affected by tax.
Temporarily or long term? I like Ed a lot and was more of a fan on here than most I think but I don't see strong grounds for the latter.
Yeah I'm the same, usually people want to go away and get themselves together out of the public eye. Plus it would be a bit odd for him personally to feel like he was going to be Prime Minister less than a week ago, then come straight back into a job demotion. Can't see him as Foreign Secretary, Chancellor is a no no, Home Secretary doesn't play to his strengths and he's not exactly going to go back to the climate change department.
I was at a party last night and that exact situation became apparent. Everyone was between 25 and 32 and for every labour voter there were 5 conservative voters. In terms of where you'd put them on the political spectrum you'd naturally say centre or even perhaps left of centre. However as you say they all now have decent jobs and pay tax so there priorities have changed.
I imagine this changes dependent on where you are in the country, though.
SNP were the largest party in the Scottish Parliament in 2007. That doesn't happen unless Blair had lost the faith of traditional Labour voters in Scotland.
That's how it works, always has and always will.
Their children will repeat the same cycle. Start out left-leaning and by their 30s will vote for the Tories or something New Labour.
Absolutely. But clearly in more places than not people went blue.
There's still been a huge change since then, though. Going from winning 46 seats in 2007, to 37 in 2011 and probably next to nothing next time around. You'd think if it was down to centric policies there'd have been an increase in support this election.
Someone protesting against the Tory government has spray painted a war memorial in London. That's nice isn't it.
Not after the referendum, no.