And the Lib Dems collapse in England. No wonder Dave was effusive in his praise of Old Nick, who put him in and kept him there for 5 years while destroying his own party and gifting the Tories about 40 seats.
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I don't know. But you are right they really should have pressed that over and over.
I think that's definitely a factor, not helped by the manner in which Brown came to be Prime Minister and his general unpopularity. If Labour had thrown Brown to the wolves like the Tories did to Thatcher in 1990, a new leader with a clean slate might have been able to argue the point.
I hope the Turkish conservatives don't have an unexpected win like that. I might never sober up if that happens.
My condolences, Britain.
My condolences, Britain.
Haven't lived in the UK for 8 years and didn't vote - but saw the pound and stock market were in freefall when it was thought there'd be a hung parliament.
Tories should ensure United's purchases in Euros will be cheaper
with a strong pound
Tories should ensure United's purchases in Euros will be cheaper
with a strong poundIn the end Cameron will become known as the prime minister that lost Scotland. He has systematically demonised the Scots, told the English that they should fear them, and they should not be allowed to take part in government. The Scots have given their answer to that, there is no way to sustain the Union now.
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The labour party had their 13 years of boom after a tory bust and somewhat messed it up by suggesting they'd put an end to boom and bust politics, when in fact their boom lead to one of the biggest busts in the last century. Their fault or not (everyone else agreed with their policies and it was a semi global recession) they had the rhetoric and needed to back it up, but didn't.
The Tories will now get their 15 years until the next recession to show what they can do. I just hope they run a tight ship so that when it does happen they'll have the funds to counter a downturn.
Doubtful though. My prediction is we're here in 2025 talking about how our budget deficit is horrendous, we've borrowed against earnings on a "best case scenario" basis and we are again totally unprepared for a bad recession.
Then Labour will be our new false saviours.
The Tories will now get their 15 years until the next recession to show what they can do. I just hope they run a tight ship so that when it does happen they'll have the funds to counter a downturn.
Doubtful though. My prediction is we're here in 2025 talking about how our budget deficit is horrendous, we've borrowed against earnings on a "best case scenario" basis and we are again totally unprepared for a bad recession.
Then Labour will be our new false saviours.
Yes because thats exactly what I said
So why object to making it easier?
So you shouldn't vote against your economic interests in case it makes you smug? Ok then.
Thanks for your valuable input.
Just catching up after the nightmare of last night, but this was absolutely spot on. If people were actually educated on the statistics regarding immigration and the refugee influx people would be shocked at the furore over it.
A recent CiF piece in the Guardian highlighted the fallacy of UKIP's target seats and where their support was most concentrated. It was in the places which experienced either minimal or nil immigration. While in cosmopolitan places such as Greater London, there was little support. Despite the fact that the population of such constituencies included a relatively high proportion of immigrants...
Me and you both mate. It's truly terrifying. People have been dying because of the extent of the cuts in the first term. By all accounts the cuts for this term will make 2010-2015 look like a picnic party, and they are actively focusing their ire at the disabled and the elderly: the most vulnerable social groups in society. Shocking. Absolutely fecking shocking.
The people of Fermanagh & South Tyrone will now be represented in Westminster for the first time since 2001.
That is one of the real successes.
That is one of the real successes.
Yeah .They should stick them on one of those CWP courses or 0 contracts.
The problem is there's also a tendancy to gloss over areas that have had an influx. It's very obvious to say more people needs more funding, and that's right, that's the way to solve it (well funding used right, there's still far too much admin and managers in the NHS sucking funds imo). But the fact is some areas have more new faces moving in at a higher rate than others and when those people mention it, they get shouted down using national statistics and accused of racism, and lets not forget those official government figures never show the true picture.
If the truth was told all round by everyone, then the likes of Ukip wouldn't be able to stir their brand of shit up. Sadly it's a pipe dream though. But the worst thing people can do is ignore concerns, whether they are founded or not. Education on it is desperately needed, but I've no idea how that would happen considering, once again, every area is different.
Now the dust has settled, that was an incredible election. It showed the utter worthlessness of opinion polls, because that really wasn't close at all.
UKIP's support has grown massively in the North and it is undeniable that it has something to do with the mass immigration of the last fifteen years. I live in an area that has seen such immigration and I hear from white people a depressing amount of complaint about it. Looking simply at UKIP's seats is loaded. Propaganda works all ways
Well both are still mp's elected for five year terms to represent their constituents
Can see Clegg being trotted out by the media a lot as they phase paddy out (after he eats his hat) as for milliband I could see him being on the backbenches for a few years then perhaps (like haigue) working his way back towards front bench politics as he still seems popular in the party.
Balls will probably end up working in the media and being Yvette Coopers mouthpiece
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Indeed. That's been my point.
I just think immigration should be open and fair. I think it's a disgrace people can trumpet the cheap labour aspect without caring about what that actually means. I want to pay a fair wage to whoever I hire, no matter their nationality, but when I'm struggling for contracts against guys who pay their labour peanuts legally because they put them up in dingy rooms, what chance do I have? It borders on slave labour at times and that is pure wrong, driving down to a local wickes to pick up labourers both legal and illegal and paying them ridiculously low wages is wrong.
Immigration should be open and fair across the board, that way people would see the benefits do indeed far outweigh the cost. But when some areas see an explosion, and it does happen, and the services struggle, what are they supposed to think? When the answer is "oh it isn't that bad you racist". Well for some it is, and it's wrong all round. Maybe I live in a fairy tale world, but I choose to believe most aren't actually racist just scared of the impact it's having where they live, and that's as much down to underfunding as anything. If you can blame Labour for one thing, it's their incredibly inept and frankly thick as shit handling of immigration.
I wasn't objecting to making it easier, what I was trying to say is there needs to be more education and emphasis on getting people to vote based on actually thinking about what the candidate stands for. There are a huge number of those who don't vote purely because they can not be arsed and aren't interested in politics. I work with one, in her words all of them are the same so why vote? I told her every time she complains about something in the next 5 years I'm going to remind her she had her chance to have her say and didn't take it so shut up.
I'd be happy with online voting and even for it to be compulsory providing that you had to think about it, maybe having the party/candidate names blanked out, just a list of their key policies, and your vote is cast based on that.
The problem is also about work ethic. I never worked 'slavery' work (although some of the jobs I took at age 16 bordered to that) and would never accept that type of work ever however when I first came to Britain I was amazed how many British born people I worked with would just pick up and leave their place of work even when shits hit fan and we needed all hands on deck. Its not nice staying at work late especially when you're hardly being paid for it. However you don't jump ship when the company you're working with needs you BADLY and by leaving you're making it lose a lot of money and its reputation. Its bad to generalize, and some did stay late. However unlike the Polish I've work with most of them would leave.
Douglas Carswell has ruled himself out as leader of UKIP this morning. If Farage decides to run again in September, he'll be given the nod.
That is a generalisation though. There are lazy people from all over the world.
To say immigrants work harder on a whole is wrong, completely. It doesn't take into account those forced to or those living in cramped conditions who'd rather be at work for a start. For example when I work away, I often work much later than usual rather than go back to a hotel/b&b doing nothing to get the job done.
I believe the best people for the job should get hired regardless of where they are from, completely. However you have to take circumstance into account when you talk long hours, it's not fair to expect a young english lad to work some of those ridiculous hours a Polish lad might, it's just not right. Then there's the issue of wage, I know for a fact I can get away with paying incredibly low wages to an immigrant if I'm supplying a roof over their head. Do you think anyone checks up on that?
There should be a fair and level playing field, that's all I want. If I start to struggle to pay decent wages, what do I do? Go to wickes and pay a hard working immigrant peanuts for the day? This is where 'cheap labour' really gets my back up, it can amount to borderline slavery at times and yet people still cite it as a good thing without caring about the ugly side.
People don't think when they vote the traditional way so why does it matter for online voting? And if your system were used the court cases claiming bias in the lists of policies would be never ending. The bottom line is stupid opinion-less people should be made to vote as well. Being forced to vote might actually be the best way to make them think*
* probably not
All this breast-beating from the Blairites needs to stop. Labour did fine in London and just needs the rest of the country to catch up.
I think those polls need to be scrapped, they were totally inaccurate and possibly showed some bias. Personally I think Farage will be named UKIP leader once again in September, who else is there really apart from him? He's the one who got the party to where they are now and without him they'll most likely disappear into the abyss.
Typical London attitude, it's what we want so everyone else should fall into line
I agree with all that however you took my post wrong. I am not referring to laziness or slavery but loyalty to your workplace. If lets say you've got a big project with tight deadlines, something goes wrong, and you need to sort it, wouldn't you want people around you to bite the bullet and work extra? If you don't have the money to pay them extra for the effort wouldn't be nice if they offer you to do it just the same rather than spend the time at the pub while you're working like a workhorse to make meets end? Why would the locals (or at least most I worked with) would feck off when shits hit fan? As said I never worked in slavery conditions and there were times when I just handled my resignation and sent my employer to feck off and told them never bother to call me again ever. However I also believe in a two way relationship between employer and employee. If my boss is good with me than I'll be good with him too. That's something many people do not seem to understand here.
I've worked in 3 different nations and the minimum possible mentality i've found in Britain is astounding. I've seen with my very eyes, carpenters refusing to carry a door to a young woman's car (which happens to be a customer which paid good money IN Cash for it) because that's not in their job description. In other countries they'll probably give her a cup of coffee and offer her to carry it back to her home for free. They do so not because they are paid for it, but because they have got decency and it would look good for the company.
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Yes I would agree with this too. There is a culture of not necessarily just being lazy, but wanting to do bare minimum at times due usually to "not being paid enough". Another thing you need to consider though, like with the car door example, is where are in an age where health and safety and such nonsense restricts people in ways we don't want. I've actually been in a similar position where I can't actually touch certain things or help in certain ways simply because I don't have the cover or permission for it. Thanks to the explosion in health and safety certificates (set up by companies only there to make money) and people jumping on the bandwagon, it's even tougher than ever to do a day's work. People also hide behind that too, to be lazy. It's a ridiculous situation all round sadly.
I completely agree people should go the extra mile for smaller companies they work for, sometimes it merely takes seeing past the end of your nose.
Mind you, we are straying a little off topic here
Love the ironic pompous and pretentious left-wing bashing of the elections as 'people having no idea what they got themselves' 'people were brainwashed' etc.
Yep. It's ridiculous, and counter-productive to what they apparantly want (more people listening and getting involved).
No one has said that at all mate. The consevatives are sending us back to the victorian age.
Arrogant and oblivious to the end eh? In London the swing toward Labour could be described as patchy and weak, rather emblematic of wider sentiment in fact. If your beloved party wishes to remain in its present state then by all means carry on, although i am inclined to think that good government is aided by a challenging opposition. I don't know anyone who cited the SNP as a reason for rejecting Labour, however i am aware of plenty who have little trust in its competence to rule.
What has been said is it's an 'I'm alright - screw you' election.
Are you being sarcastic?
There's no point in having parties with no distance between them (as the Lib Dems have just discovered). London is the most progressive, multicultural, global place in the UK hence more in tune with Labour values.
People may not like the implication they are manipulated by the media. But as a whole they are. They can't control what every individual thinks but they can manipulate populations and influence the terms on which debate is held in the country. People think they are impervious to it, that they come up with all their thoughts themselves. To the extent that the right wing media itself can laugh it off, as though the idea people actually derive ideas from what they read is completely absurd. But that is exactly how it works, if people knew they were being manipulated they'd be more resistant to it.
So yes. People may find the suggestion insulting but it's no less true for that.
So yes. People may find the suggestion insulting but it's no less true for that.
(and also it's not only the right wing media that influences the thoughts of its readers. Some are more predisposed to the left wing agenda, or conspiracy theories, or whatever, and will be influenced by that kind of material.)
There's no doubt this is true in some capacity, after all if it wasn't then advertising wouldn't work. However the way it's being used as a stick to beat people with is just plain silly and alienates.
As I said above, all I see is talk of people listening to the truth and being educated on politics, yet at the same time it's the Labour supporters in here who have been agressively shouting down anyone with a different viewpoint and calling anyone else idiots and ignorant. And I'm traditionally a Labour supporter myself.