If you're a Labour voter at least you can cheer yourself up by finally having proof that Manchester is red.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Unless Cameron has another department in mind for him, Hague is one possibility. I wouldn't mind seeing Liam Fox return as Defence Secretary although there is some past difficulty to overcome there.
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Is there a similar map for no votes?
Yeah but mine has a pretty picture.
The same unfettered capitalism that brought more people out of poverty in the 00s than in 50 years of draconian socialism had before.
In what sense? GDP numbers, per capita, adjusted for purchasing power parity are pretty reliable indicators of growth.
This is laughable. Take a look at the states numbers. Some of the biggest growth rates have been registered by BJP ruled states. This is the party of the small businessman, the party of disinvestment, the party of simplifying processes and less red-tape. It is odd when one national party shows rampant corruption and favouritism in deals for land, coal blocks and the digital spectrum, it is the other party accused of cronyism.
And that Hindutva nonsense (while deplorable) affects public policy, how exactly?
I agree that the BJP is not the best political party in the world, but it is much better than the Congress has been in the past ten years, and miles better than the idiotic rag-tag bunch of JP Narayan followers who keep calling for a third front. And the less said about the Communists, the better.
Has anyone considered the possibility that the conservative party has massive support from bears who hibernate for all but 2 days a decade?
If you're a Labour voter at least you can cheer yourself up by finally having proof that Manchester is red.
You vote for who you want to govern your local area. So imagine that instead of voting for Obama, Obama was just the head of the Democratic party. But instead of just voting for Obama, you vote for whoever represents the Democratic party in the town that you live in. Or the Republican, whichever you want. Now whoever has the most votes in the area that you live in is declared the winner and the area you live in is now represented by that person who wins a seat in parliament. Let's say for arguments sake that's Bilbo Baggins of the Democratic party who beat Frodo of the Republicans in the state of Texas so Texas is now Democratic. That happens in every 'constituency' in the country and whichever party has won at least 326 seats by the end is declared the winner and Obama is installed as the PM by default as the head of that party. Though each of the people that won the vote in each constituency have a seat in parliament to debate issues on behalf of their constituents. That goes for the party that lost too. All of the constituencies that voted Labour for example still have Labour representing them - they just don't have a majority in parliament and thus aren't in power on the big stage.
So instead of voting for the big cheese, the big cheese is instead put in charge by default as a result of lots of his little cheeses being chosen to govern their local areas over their rivals.
If a party fails to get 326 seats, then can join up with another party who can push them over that figure - which is what happened last time.
It's hard for me to reconcile the perception that the Lib Dem's collapse was because they sold their soul by dealing with the Tories with the results that indicate that former Lib Dem voters flocked to the Conservatives in their droves.
They like a race to the bottom in the labour market so I doubt they will go that route.
The Welsh vote was interesting. I think the Scots, The SNP especially,were expecting to see a rise in Welsh nationalism to perhap have a brother in browbeaten arms. But the Welsh national party made no gains whilst the conservatives did. Labour remained the strongest. The Welsh didn't reject Westminster.
That is actually bullshit, the consensus politics of 45-79 put more people in jobs and out of poverty than unfettered capitalism in the 00s. What happened was feck ups in the 60s and 70s and economic downturns. The monetarist policies of Thatcher put more people out of work and into poverty than socialism ever did.
I think they're talking about in India.
The Tories campaigned against the lib dems in their wavering seats hard
He is talking about India not UK. This Indian discussion really need to be taken out of this thread by all concerned. Totally off-topic.
Oh I see.
Yeah my constituency was Lib Dem for a while, they have lost their votes to multiple places. The biggest seems to be a split between voters moving to the Conservatives and losing all the pissed off students to the Greens. Labour and UKIP also gained a couple of percent each.
I thought Hague had stepped down as an MP?
Deputy PM is a fake title anyway, it doesn't actually mean anything.
This would never have happened if Nigel Farage had won his seat.
George Osborne looks like the type of guy who'd host one of those Eyes Wide Shut gangbang parties.
Yeah, he has.
Osborne's also been made "First Secretary of State", I'm not sure what it means but it sounds like he's being allowed dominion over something, possibly East Anglia.
Boris Johnson?
Yeah, Bo Jo is on the march now but would Dave want a snake like that so close?
That'd give him (more?) seniority over the rest of the cabinet wouldn't it?
I got the impression that Dave wanted out anyway, but didn't resign because he wouldn't want to just feck up his parties chances. He'd probably not be too bothered long-term if Boris is eyeing up the main job.
Chancellor usually has that anyway I'd have thought but yeah, possibly just to let everyone else know they're his underling and to grovel accordingly.
I was a Lib Dem voter in 2010. I voted Conservative this time, something which I never in my wildest dreams thought I would do.
I was furious when my vote ended up getting Cameron into office last election and I voted for his party this. My reasoning was as follows:
-Can't vote LD as the first past the post system was unlikely to see them win in my constituency so didn't want to waste my vote.
-UKIP drained the conservatives of its biggest wankers
-Conservative fiscal policy was working from my POV
-Ed Balls is a cnut, Miliband just not smart enough and no charisma.
-SNP and Labour potential was worrying
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A lot of people say this, I don't get it. Many problems can be listed of him, his intellect shouldn't really be one of them
After seeing the results today I am deeply concerned about the buffoons potentially voting us out of Europe which would be disastrous.
To me he isnt erudite or informed and he peddles a political discourse which doesn't engage with me. I guess it's lazy for me to call him stupid though.
The problem with Miliband is he leaned too far left for British politics. The bourgeois is not carried by leaning that far left, it is the bourgeois that will go to the voting booths.
A sad reality of globalisation is that all the big income firms are so transient and ill caring they could leave Britain at any time, unfortunately you have to pander to big business. This is not idealistic, it's depressingly pragmatic. But I would rather see stability and the City and FTSE 100 happy and jobs and wealth still being created than them abandoning.
The above paragraph is another reason why a Liberal Democrat like me would vote Tory over reactionary Labour like Miliband.
When it comes down a referendum the the in side would be significantly bigger then the out side. Both in terms of support and resources.
Tempted to respond to the Indian discussion here but would be off topic. (Indian politics is hardly that much ideological anyway (Espcially in economics.)
@FortBoyard Just of curiosity do you know any other Lib Dem voters ? And if so did they have the same feelings as you did ?
Asking because I've got the impression(From the last election at least) that the Lib Dem where at least on the left side of politics.
Asking because I've got the impression(From the last election at least) that the Lib Dem where at least on the left side of politics.
Conservatives are going to feck this right up now. So much of what they represent is opposite what I feel. I didn't vote (not that it would've made a difference, and they didn't win in my constituency anyway) but seriously. The world is going to be so much harder for people without wealths of income now. No more affordable housing, more zero hour contracts, welfare cuts. Not to mention they're going to continue culling the fecking badgers
That's right, so he did. Much of what the public sees of a Deputy PM us during a scant few appearances at PMQs, so a good speaker/debater is preferable.
Yes I do. Most of which went Con.
I am left-wing in all but economic policy. I believe in laissez faire free market capitalism with low corporation tax and a balanced government budget which doesn't rely on excessive income taxation.
That said I am pro-EU, pro civil liberties, pro welfare, pro immigration, believe in decriminalisation of drugs to an extent etc etc
Not only has Paddy Ashdown looked a fool for his 'eat my hat' comment, he now has to appear again on Question Time.
Maude is going to be smug as hell probably.
Not only has Paddy Ashdown looked a fool for his 'eat my hat' comment, he now has to appear again on Question Time.
Maude is going to be smug as hell probably.
Hartley-Brewer no doubt will as well. Interesting to hear what Campbell has to say, he's a cnut but knows what he's doing.
Thanks for the reply.
I'm guessing for the other Lib Dem you knew the Economy was the turning factor ? It's seem the way the Lib Dem vote went really did surprised people(me included) .I'll be honest though I'm slightly disappointed in how anyone on the left really could switch to voting for 'them' lot. The Fecking Torys all people