Apparently it was Labour who asked for the recount...so not looking good for Ed.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Apparently it was Labour who asked for the recount...so not looking good for Ed.
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Well I'm not a Ukip voter, I agreed with a protest vote last time but not this time obviously. I wish they'd go away.
But you have to see the other side and why people who have actual issues want a frustrated voice. For example, do you think there are many places where struggling schools and doctor surgeries are mostly down to immigrant influx? Do you think that in some areas immigrants are being pushed to the top of housing regardless of circumstance and given the world? Because I can assure you that is the reality for some people, and how do they voice this without simply being told that can't be true and they are racist?
Ukip are a blight, that much is true. But just as bad is the attitude that anyone who votes them is racist, and everything is a lie. It only compounds the problem.
Idiots like Balls getting put out on his arse is exactly what the Labour party need. He's as thick as mince.
Few hours kip and its still difficult to comprehend a Tory gain.
Unless an EU referendum really is that high on voters priorities. If it is then we're heading for the exit.
Unless an EU referendum really is that high on voters priorities. If it is then we're heading for the exit.
Lucas easily holds for Greens.
I don't think that Cameron will take Britain out of the EU. The companies he love so dearly would slaughter him. It also seem that Mr Farage had not made it to parliament. I guess he will remain an MEP in the much cursed Brussels.
There's nowhere where the schools, doctors or housing are struggling due to the influx of immigrants, they are struggling because their resources have been continuously reduced by both the Tories and Blairite Labour. They're struggling because the Labour party and Trade Union movement that once stood up for them has either defected to the centre right or been crushed. When that happens, as it has in the past, maggots like UKIP, the BNP and the NF creep out of the woodwork and start whispering to the disenfranchised that it's really the immigrants who are causing the problem and by driving a wedge into the community they prevent that area falling back into the hands of the parties who might try to protect those services.
As the Newtown Neurotics said in '81, "They, they'll always try to blame it on the blacks, but it's really those in power who stabbed you in the back"
Read Ricky Tomlinson's autobiography, and specifically the chapters on his early years on the dole where he fell in with the National Front and ended up in jail for assault before seeing through the lies. It made me dislike him more as a person but applaud his honesty at highlighting the real problem with the NF, BNP, UKIP and the loony tides of racism that ebb and flow in British politics with the lunar pull of prosperity.
Plus ca change.
Spot on.
Your life isn't perfect and I'm now going to point at a group of people who is to blame.
The politics of hate.
100% agree.
I'm not surprised by this, to be honest. I voted Labour, primarily because my local MP is the best representative for the people of the area and I. I also think that Labour are best suited to deal with the education sector with compassion and common sense.
Generally, however, we're looking at two sides of the same coin. The economy has somewhat recovered, small businesses are flourishing and much of England is nowhere near as discontent with the state of things as was being suggested.
Most importantly, Labour were fighting this campaign with one glove. The electorate didn't believe in or trust Miliband. Nicola Sturgeon has recently demonstrated the importance of a competent leader. Labour should take note.
Power to Scotland, too. They've voted for the party they reason will work the most for them. You've got to respect that.
Generally, however, we're looking at two sides of the same coin. The economy has somewhat recovered, small businesses are flourishing and much of England is nowhere near as discontent with the state of things as was being suggested.
Most importantly, Labour were fighting this campaign with one glove. The electorate didn't believe in or trust Miliband. Nicola Sturgeon has recently demonstrated the importance of a competent leader. Labour should take note.
Power to Scotland, too. They've voted for the party they reason will work the most for them. You've got to respect that.
If we repeal the HRA and opt out of the ECHR we'll have to leave the Coucil of Europe and, inevitably after that, the EU. It would be a disaster for our economy. Cameron would have to be an idiot to take that first step, which is why I think he might just try to do it.
See, this is exactly my point
It's of course a combination of things, but if you seriously think that massive influx of people doesn't change areas and brings it's own issues, then you are frankly wrong. I can tell you this for a fact because I'm on my way into work right now with the fella I hire who happens to be Polish, I know his wages and taxes and I know what he does and doesn't get on top just for being Polish. He himself thinks it's a joke.
To blatantly ignore actual problems and talk nonsense is precisely the reason the likes of Ukip are allowed to get this ridiculous amounts of votes. But hey, what do I know?
Can you give us any facts to back your claims up ?See, this is exactly my point
It's of course a combination of things, but if you seriously think that massive influx of people doesn't change areas and brings it's own issues, then you are frankly wrong. I can tell you this for a fact because I'm on my way into work right now with the fella I hire who happens to be Polish, I know his wages and taxes and I know what he does and doesn't get on top just for being Polish. He himself thinks it's a joke.
To blatantly ignore actual problems and talk nonsense is precisely the reason the likes of Ukip are allowed to get this ridiculous amounts of votes. But hey, what do I know?
Wait, we're going to get a majority Tory government?!
What in the name of feck is wrong with this country?!!
What in the name of feck is wrong with this country?!!
Our MP is Lib Dem and has managed to hold onto his seat despite an aggressive campaign by UKIP, who have been driving around the town for weeks blaring out 'Land of Hope and Glory' (provocative IMO, as we have a large and growing Eastern European community here). I voted Lib Dem, partly because I didn't want the seat to return to the Tories, but also because of the Lib Dem pro-European stance.
It's very sad to see the Liberal voice virtually silenced in Westminster. Strange days.
It's very sad to see the Liberal voice virtually silenced in Westminster. Strange days.
I'll talk more on this later when I can mate. Bare in mind I'm in no way shape or form a ukip voter or agree with them, but I clearly see things a little differently considering I employ plenty of decent hard working immigrants. Funny how it all wants to kick off when it's brought up though!
Political theory is a social science. Even if immigration doesn't adversely affect the UK, you've got to set policies to address the perception that it does.
Unfortunate, but true.
To be fair, most campaign promises are so mealy mouthed that it hardly matters what you actually do once you're in power. Just as the bacon sarnie picture proves, image counts for as much as substance. As long as you're relatively competent in government, that's all that matters. Most people can forgive a few broken promises here or there.
Unfortunate, but true.
To be fair, most campaign promises are so mealy mouthed that it hardly matters what you actually do once you're in power. Just as the bacon sarnie picture proves, image counts for as much as substance. As long as you're relatively competent in government, that's all that matters. Most people can forgive a few broken promises here or there.
I think it's fair to say staying up all night was a bad idea.
Well I might be a part of a minority on here, but I am delighted to see the Tories on course for a majority.
I wanted to see this in 2010. Unfortunately leadership candidates this year, were quite frankly embarrassing but I know my local tory MP is the best candidate for my area, and I do still believe Cameron is the only one who can lead a government out of the choices.
I wanted to see this in 2010. Unfortunately leadership candidates this year, were quite frankly embarrassing but I know my local tory MP is the best candidate for my area, and I do still believe Cameron is the only one who can lead a government out of the choices.
I genuinely believe that if Nicola Sturgeon had been the Labour leader, they'd have won.
@Redlambs I'm far to tired to put together any sort of cohesive answer on the UKIP debate right now, I'll try and put together some sort of post once I get some sleep
I'm not really that interested to be honest mate, I just think it's dangerous for people to just brush everything off. In fact it clearly is, 4million votes? Ridiculousm
I completely agree. Some fantastic MPs and some of the best Ministers I've worked with were ousted last night, Westminster will feel their loss keenly. Glad to see Norman Lamb has held on at least, he's very good.
Oh yeah I wasn't thinking you were, it was just a genuine question .I'll talk more on this later when I can mate. Bare in mind I'm in no way shape or form a ukip voter or agree with them, but I clearly see things a little differently considering I employ plenty of decent hard working immigrants. Funny how it all wants to kick off when it's brought up though!
See, this is exactly my point
It's of course a combination of things, but if you seriously think that massive influx of people doesn't change areas and brings it's own issues, then you are frankly wrong. I can tell you this for a fact because I'm on my way into work right now with the fella I hire who happens to be Polish, I know his wages and taxes and I know what he does and doesn't get on top just for being Polish. He himself thinks it's a joke.
To blatantly ignore actual problems and talk nonsense is precisely the reason the likes of Ukip are allowed to get this ridiculous amounts of votes. But hey, what do I know?
Things change. We have always had waves of immigration in the big cities and we have always had people blaming everything on the most recent arrivals. This is why woldly racist rigjt wing politicians rise from from time to time only to crash when their hollow rhetotic isn't enough and the in-fighting begins.
There are refugee management isdues all over the world but that doesn't mean the red herrings and straw men UKIP and associated bigotted opportunists use to stir up hatred are real or important.
Was certainly the wrong night to quit amphetamines
Despite the anger and disappointment here, I think you have to respect what the electorate wanted on the day. Calling them idiots isn't very helpful
I would say the same but the little one is at nursery for the day and I can work from home. Il have a siesta in the afternoon.
Glad I went to fecking sleep as this is just ridiculous. However I must concede that a Tory majority is better than a coalition of any sort in the sense of having to choose between HIV and full blown AIDS!
Damn.
Well that's taught me to ignore every poll I'll ever hear.
Well that's taught me to ignore every poll I'll ever hear.
I feel your pain man
My constituency was just about to declare their results...then they found a bag with 2000 more votes in. Ffs
Your massive influx is, and has been for the last decade, around 200,000 people per year. The UK immigrant population stands at around 12%, almost identical to every other Northern European country (with the exception of Denmark) and 3-5% lower than most of Southern Europe. Any benefits or tax breaks your Polish colleague is getting are the same as anybody else on his salary and in his domestic circumstances would get, he's certainly not getting anything else specifically for being Polish but I suspect he might be getting a shine from you by giving your racist bollocks a polish.See, this is exactly my point
It's of course a combination of things, but if you seriously think that massive influx of people doesn't change areas and brings it's own issues, then you are frankly wrong. I can tell you this for a fact because I'm on my way into work right now with the fella I hire who happens to be Polish, I know his wages and taxes and I know what he does and doesn't get on top just for being Polish. He himself thinks it's a joke.
To blatantly ignore actual problems and talk nonsense is precisely the reason the likes of Ukip are allowed to get this ridiculous amounts of votes. But hey, what do I know?
The benefits paid out to UK migrants living in other EU member states is greater than the benefits paid out to EU migrants living in the UK, we are a net abuser of EU benefits, not a victim of abuse.
Yes, indeed.
But when it happens on a large scale, people are going to complain right? And when people from one place or another seemingly get more, people are going to complain right? It's what happens when those complaints are aired that is the problem as far as I can see.
I'm a small business owner in construction, and many of my family and friends are in the nhs and police so maybe I have a broader view than some I suppose. But my point is that of course there are going to be issues, rightly or wrongly, and it's how we address them that is most important. If we don't, we get Ukip and their ilk.
Damn. Shite news to wake up to.
One thing ive always wondered is had the scots voted for independence, they'd effectively have become a 1 party state (judging by the election results). Scots voted SNP simply because they were the Scottish vote. I can't imagine all scots identify with their politics.
Totally agree. I logged in this morning and saw lots of "idiots" and "ignorant" coments. Ironic really.
I just want to say congratulations to the Conservatives, SNP and Rupert Murdoch.