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Murphy gone.
At this stage, any seats that Labour win or hold is a bonus.Yeah. In the whole of Merseyside Labour are usually pretty safe but Wirral South and West were either Conservative or just a few votes between Con and Labour in 2010 so don't know how they'll go.
So the question in Scotland now is if SNP will get 58 or 59 seats.
Labours only chance in Scotland . Eliminated.
At this stage, any seats that Labour win or hold is a bonus.
I have just seen that a Labour/SNP coalition is at 33/1, Decent value that.
Perhaps you are right but the big issue will be whether the people living in scotland will feel like that. I am of pakistani origin and have zero connection to historical scotland and yet I feel this country has been hard done by with this election and it deserves to be led by the SNP if its true about how many constituencies they have won. I'm sure that a lot more people here will feel more comfortable with Sturgeon compared to Cameron considering their backgrounds.But they are not a country (in the proper sense of the word). They are a region of Britain like Bavaria is a region of Germany, or Andalusia a region of Spain.
If every region/nation-within-a-nation behaved like Scotland, the stable structure of the nation state would break down and we might as well go back to living as tribal states. It's fecking outrageous the more I think about it. If Scotland goes independent, what happens if Shetland decides that it is a distinct region and wants independence from Scotland? Where does it end?
The nation state is the most stable unit of world politics, and it should not be fecked around with lightly. Just to put it into some historical context, there has never been a region that has broken away from a nation state/country in modern history that has not done so in the context of war, genocide or severe oppression.
And maybe a gain in Norwich SouthNews out of Brighton - Both the Greens and the Tories expected to hold onto their seats.
Though i've criticised Lucas with regard to her views on prostitution, i did vote Green today so...Yay!
Who still up has work in the morning?
Not going to be a fun day...
HAHAHAHA...cleared, Balls with the shot! HARMAN!
59 Would be good, it'd almost be too harsh if only 1 person misses out.So the question in Scotland now is if SNP will get 58 or 59 seats.
No where really. It could a good few years(8+) until we see another party on left(Or even with left ideas) with any chance on winning/having a voice in parliament. England is clearly now a country on the Right of Politics.Feck me this is depressing.
Talk of Sturgeon saying to a Diplomat that the SNP secretly want a Conservative Majority as it will ensure a referendum after the 2016 Scottish Elections. With a Tory Government the vote could easily be yes for independence then where does that leave the rest of us? Labour will be dead and buried without Scottish votes (as proven tonight)
It's pretty sad but England have themselves to blame. I wanted nothing to do with independence and voted no...while convincing so many others to vote no because of how we are part of a great Union who look after eachother....tonight it doesn't feel like it anymore.Feck me this is depressing.
Talk of Sturgeon saying to a Diplomat that the SNP secretly want a Conservative Majority as it will ensure a referendum after the 2016 Scottish Elections. With a Tory Government the vote could easily be yes for independence then where does that leave the rest of us? Labour will be dead and buried without Scottish votes (as proven tonight)
That would be a hell of a turnaround after years of smugness about the Tories not having much of a presence in Scotland, if they survived there while all of Labour get wiped-out in Scotland.It'll be too good to be true to take the Tory seat off them. Surely...
WTF? Don't you think the real issue should be that seats in England are lost simply because a party based exclusively in Scotland wants "a stronger voice for Scotland?".
I've no doubt in my mind that's why it's the Tory landslide it is and I think it's shameful.
...cleared, Balls with the shot! HARMAN!
Which constituency was this?Murphy gone.
Which constituency was this?
I guess it boils down to what "stronger voice " actually means and I have had this discussion over and over. When you say stronger voice what do you mean? Stronger than the six million people who live in Yorkshire approx the same population as live in Scotland. What right would those six million people in Scotland have to a stronger voice in the union they just voted to stay in than the six million people who live in Yorkshire?
This is the reason you get what we have today. Talking up Independence and then voting against it, then voting SNP while stating over and over again that this will advantage Scotland over England. You get what you sow in the end, a Tory Govt.
No where really. It could a good few years(8+) until we see another party on left(Or even with left ideas) with any chance on winning/having a voice in parliament. England is clearly now a country on the Right of Politics.
It's pretty sad but England have themselves to blame. I wanted nothing to do with independence and voted no...while convincing so many others to vote no because of how we are part of a great Union who look after eachother....tonight it doesn't feel like it anymore.
Has Labour won any seats in Scotland yet?East Renfrewshire.
Is it wrong that I'm annoyed that a 20 year old is an MP in Scotland. I mean like what do you know?!
Has Labour won any seats in Scotland yet?