Can you imagine the media coverage if Corbyn had done what Johnson has done!
It is ridiculously under covered and the Tories are left unchallenged by most journalists and pundits.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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It is ridiculously under covered and the Tories are left unchallenged by most journalists and pundits.
Does the evidence that you're a very caring person extend beyond who you vote for?
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Exactly that. A combination of an almost exclusively right wing press coupled with a very right wing forthcoming tory government will deal a significant body blow to democracy in this country.
They will be free to do exactly what they choose unless there is a very strong opposition to hold them to account.
Despite some interesting Labour policies Corbyn is simply not electable and the quicker he is replaced the better.
The Green Party are shite.
The electoral system is shite.
I’m West & Hessle which Emma Hardy. I suppose Labour were in a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-dont position. If they’d come out and backed leave we wouldn’t be having this conversation....but they’d have lost their remain constituencies in the south.
There’s a lot of confusion over the leave constituencies in the north too. Just because the constituency itself is majority leave and Labour hold it, doesn’t mean a majority of Labour supporters in that constituency are Leavers.
Labour are a hugely Remain supporting party. That needs to be remembered.
Not electable according to the same right wing media which you (rightly imo) criticised. Maybe the damage to democracy has already been done, making us believe someone like Corbyn is unelectable but Boris Johnson is.
Certainly a big factor is that older demographic more likely to vote conservative and simultaneously more likely to vote than the younger demographic.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
How many years are we going to have to wait for Labour to reach tipping point? Maybe this is why Tories want electoral 'reform', changing constituency boundaries and no vote for 16 year olds!
In terms of voting Brexit? Or Tory? My mum's a floating voter, dunno about her partner.
Sadly I fear my mother voted on immigration largely, despite loving her non-white African immigrant daughter-in-law
Do the libs still bang on about PR? That was always their big issue.
Parties.
My mother lives in Anlaby and I grew up there.
Yeah agreed. Labour was kinda screwed either way and add in the Corbyn factor and they're toast.
LibDems nowhere in those northern industrial towns.
In terms of voting Brexit? Or Tory? My mum's a floating voter, dunno about her partner.
Sadly I fear my mother voted on immigration largely, despite loving her non-white African immigrant daughter-in-law
The fact that immigration is framed as the cause for many problems actually caused by austerity/lack of investment, for me is also down to the right wing press.
Edit: to answer your question I meant voting Tory rather than Brexit. From my perspective,I can understand why some people voted for Brexit. I cannot understand how anyone could ever vote Tory.
In terms of voting Brexit? Or Tory? My mum's a floating voter, dunno about her partner.
Sadly I fear my mother voted on immigration largely, despite loving her non-white African immigrant daughter-in-law
I can top you. My mum and late stepdad were active UKIP members a few years ago. She’s an absolute leaver..... She also works voluntarily teaching migrants who appear in the country with nothing basic English
Indeed, this is often forgotten. A constituency being Leave doesn't automatically mean it'll turn against Labour - in plenty of Labour cities that voted for Brexit the vote was won by an incredibly narrow margin; if the vast majority of those Remainers (say 48% of a constituency) stick with Labour, then some of their Leave voters staying with them still makes it an easy win.
Along similar lines, remember seeing a poll here a while back that showed Labour Brexiteers were significantly less motivated by Brexit than Labour Remainers, Tory Remainers and Tory Brexiteers. In other words, it's quite possible to keep their vote by offering other exciting policies and alternatives even if you don't deliver on Brexit. In a way I think the rabid online Brexiteers have made us forget that like with Remain, plenty of people who voted for Brexit aren't that arsed about it overall. Even if they care for many of them the jump away from Labour still remains a much bigger political move to make.
In a way I think you could compare this topic to Scottish independence and the SNP up north - most constituencies voted No in 2014 but still ultimately went SNP in 2015. The fact the SNP had lost the vote ended up having little bearing the following year because they were able to mobilise their own vote effectively, even if half/just over half the population didn't like them.
Watch out fellow Northerners.
Feckin' Housemartins...
Peaky Blinders prequel looks rubbish.
Fixed. Motherfecker has been drinking from the fountain of youth I bet.
Edit: Formatting issue. fecking Tories
Big turn out. Like Boris and his battle bus.
Yep, he has been a complete disaster, but he just goes week on week being a complete moron and everyone forgetting about it.
Literally found guilty of lying to the queen, surely that’s something you’d resign over?!
Honestly curious to know why young people would support the Tories. Unless their families are wealthy and then they're protecting their own assets so fair enough.
or they are ignorant.
Very vocal parents. Impressionable age. There's a fair few to be fair.
17 year olds aren't allowed to vote, fortunately.
Plus they are pushing for Voter I.D.Certainly a big factor is that older demographic more likely to vote conservative and simultaneously more likely to vote than the younger demographic.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
How many years are we going to have to wait for Labour to reach tipping point? Maybe this is why Tories want electoral 'reform', changing constituency boundaries and no vote for 16 year olds!
In the long run the tories are fecked, so their end goal will be to undermine the democratic norms.
Standard tory response to falling targets, claim your the bestest and Labour will do *insert something crazy*
Have you never met any of these types? All the same they're all arrogant idiots who think being a Tory supporter makes them better than others. I'd assume because their parents also have this elitist attitude.
Just as curious to know why young people would support Labour. Unless they are naive enough to believe in their bribes from the magic money tree.
The same reason the majority of people vote for any political party - their own selfish interest.
Pretty much.
Personal insults, no more than you can expect from a 'caring' socialist.
You don't even understand what Socialism is.
One can only assume that they will grow up to be the worst people. Being a Tory is bad enough but being a 17 year old Tory at a time when the Tories have damned your generation to a worse future is borderline sociopathic.
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