UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Unless he or she turns out to be sympathetic with the Palestinians.

We've literally got an example of a left-wing leader being anti-Semitic two posts above yours, but okay.
 
Johnson said as much in his acceptance speech.

If they want to stay in power, they will have to look after their new found supporters.

Completely disagree with you there. If they want to stay in power they will have the Sun, Express and Mail convince their supporters that they have been looking after them.
 
Is there any upside to this for the non wealthy U.K. folk?
Struggling to see it, tbh.

Not really, and even if Labour had won it would be the same, if you're poor you are poor, under whatever Government.

Jeremy Corbyn and the baggage he carries with him have done for Labour, it isn't just Brexit that made life long Labour voters switch to the Tories. If you are poor you need practical help, not promises to spend billions renationalising everything, and offering free broadband is almost as bad as the "if they don't have bread let them eat cake" quote. The hard left politicos have never really understood the true aspirations of people they were supposedly helping with their ideas of building a perfect Socialist State, this was true almost a hundred years ago, and is still true today.
 
Completely disagree with you there. If they want to stay in power they will have the Sun, Express and Mail convince their supporters that they have been looking after them.
Or that the new opposition leader is in fact Karl Marx.
 
I’m touchy, but not for the reason you think.

I’ve lived in Sweden for the last 12 years so who governs the UK matters rather little to me these days.

What I hate is the UK blaming problems on EU migrants, in Sweden we took 400,000 refugees during the Syria crises and that is a group to argue about being a drain. So many that don’t speak the language, so many uneducated that have to be funded by the state.
Thing is, Sweden felt they had no choice but to take so many and “do the right thing” because countries like the UK took in an embarrassing 10,000 or so.
EU migration is rarely a drain and certainly hasn’t been in the UK.


In that case I'll apologise.

Internal migration, within the EU, has no doubt contributed and is continuing to contribute to the rising problems of extreme nationalism in Europe ( for which read xenophobes and serious racism ) althoughI I've always thought that despite most peoples' perception, the UK has handled the influx much, much better than a lot of other EU member countries because there just haven't been the problems of unemployment there the past 10 years or so compared to most other EU member countries.

But then again, immigration is an equally touchy subject in virtually every continent, not just inside the EU, and it has become an even more difficult subject to debate because for years it was the elephant in the room which nobody wanted to talk about for fear of being ' labeled ' and which I will put down to being yet another failure of the political classes to understand or to listen to what and how their citizens want their countries to be rather than what and how the politicians think those same countries should be.
 

Doesn't mean too much unless you break down why people don't like the leadership in some way. Their competence, policies, mannerisms, beards etc. No likes stupid beards though, it's probably that.

Well, if in any way accurate, it does show all the use of excuses are nonsense though. Not that I think they completely are, brexit is clearly a huge reason, but people have also clearly underestimated just how unpopular Corbyn really is.
 
Savage attacks on Corbyn from centrist, anti- momentum Labour MP's who retained their seats

Here is Wes Streeting. Also gave similar on BBC interview this afternoon

 
Savage attacks on Corbyn from centrist, anti- momentum Labour MP's who retained their seats

Here is Wes Streeting. Also gave similar on BBC interview this afternoon



Thought he came across as a self important wanker in the bbc interview.
 
but people have also clearly underestimated just how unpopular Corbyn really is.

Only those blinded by Jeremy's cosmic light and the chants of 'ooh Jeremy' etc. Everybody else could see the Emperor had no clothes on!
 
Hahahahaha



McCluskey is utterly shameless.
 
Well, if in any way accurate, it does show all the use of excuses are nonsense though. Not that I think they completely are, brexit is clearly a huge reason, but people have also clearly underestimated just how unpopular Corbyn really is.
Yeah. And brexit might not have featured so highly as a reason if Corbyn and McDonnell hadn't handled it in such an incompetent and dishonest manner.
 
Completely disagree with you there. If they want to stay in power they will have the Sun, Express and Mail convince their supporters that they have been looking after them.

Not even subtle, saw the last couple of days of the SUN the entire front page is literally vote Tory for Sunlit uplands, vote Labour for gloom.

Burn it all to the fecking ground
 
Well, if in any way accurate, it does show all the use of excuses are nonsense though. Not that I think they completely are, brexit is clearly a huge reason, but people have also clearly underestimated just how unpopular Corbyn really is.
Am hearing loads of Labour Remain voters also deserted the party last night. Would be interesting to find out how many.

Given that loads of people who'd have benefitted greatly under Corbyn voted against him, I feel abit duped that I voted for Corbyn in their interest, despite being against my own self interest in that I'd lose out financially through income and inheritance tax. I doubt I'll ever do that again.

I'll be OK in a post Brexit world, and now I don't give 2 hoots about anyone who isn't. And I wont entertain these sanctimonious views again either!
 
Thought he came across as a self important wanker in the bbc interview.
Well he representative of the 175 Labour MPs in PLP who wanted Corbyn out (vs the 45 MPs who wanted him as leader). He is representative of the real Labour party, and not the rabble that Momentum put together. He won his Labour seat in a pro leave area despite the handicap of Corbyn!!! I'd say he is a very important member of the Labour Party from now on.

Time for you and others to adjust your views, else you'll remain utterly despondent for a long time.
 
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“Definitely has put pressure” fiskey? Based on what evidence? ALL of the evidence says our EU migrants have eased the pressure.

Unless you’re saying all 1.8m or so from the EU all turned up in the same year and all started needing hospital care from the off?

The don’t, they prop up the NHS and should have allowed the government to spend more money there.

So now you’ve moved onto housing, another Tory feck up more than anything with their right to buy bollocks.

What % these migrants will be NHS workers? Even if it’s 10%, 180,000 new employees to cover 1,620,000 new migrant patients plus the ever increasing population on top of this. This is clearly going to have a strain on resources.
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Well he representative of the 175 Labour MPs in PLP who wanted Corbyn out (vs the 45 MPs who wanted him as leader). He is representative of the real Labour party, and not the rabble that Momentum put together. He won his Labour seat in a pro leave area despite the handicap of Corbyn!!!

Time for you and others to adjust your views, else you'll remain utterly despondent for a long time.

You should read some of my other posts today. We are in agreement.

That being said though, he did not come across well at all. He didn’t sound like he was speaking with candour at all. It sounded opportunistic and self serving.
 
Am hearing loads of Labour Remain voters also deserted the party last night. Would be interesting to find out how many.

Given that loads of people who'd have benefitted greatly under Corbyn voted against him, I feel abit duped that I voted for Corbyn in their interest, despite being against my own self interest in that I'd lose out financially through income and inheritance tax. I doubt I'll ever do that again.

I'll be OK in a post Brexit world, and now I don't give 2 hoots about anyone who isn't. And I wont entertain these sanctimonious views again either!

Ditto.

I'm not about to slag everyone off though and cry out about how the whole country should suffer. I find it incredibly hypocritical to claim to support the party of the people then turn on those people when the votes don't come in.

Am I pissed off the turkeys voted for christmas? You bet I am. But I'm just as angry about a Labour party who has let us all down and essentially played a huge role in fecking this country over the past 10 years or so. feck them and feck this tactical shit.
 
Really am beginning to think that Corbyn is so unpopular because he’s actually a decent man who tries to help people, while your average Englishman is just a horrible bastard which is why that lying bigot Johnson is so popular. Honestly can see no other reason why you would vote Tory. Your NHS is finished.
 
Really am beginning to think that Corbyn is so unpopular because he’s actually a decent man who tries to help people, while your average Englishman is just a horrible bastard which is why that lying bigot Johnson is so popular. Honestly can see no other reason why you would vote Tory. Your NHS is finished.

*cough*
 
Am I pissed off the turkeys voted for christmas? You bet I am. But I'm just as angry about a Labour party who has let us all down and essentially played a huge role in fecking this country over the past 10 years or so.
This.
 
Savage attacks on Corbyn from centrist, anti- momentum Labour MP's who retained their seats

Here is Wes Streeting. Also gave similar on BBC interview this afternoon



He's a bit wrong though... Don't get me wrong, Corbyn needs gone, but it's not the policies; it's the baggage around him.

And frankly, to stand there and try and absolve himself and all the centrists of blame when they spent years trying their own character assassinations of Corbyn which contributed to the swirling morass of negativity around him is pretty shit.

In short, Wes Streeting can feck off if he won't look inward and own a bit of this.
 
People choose to turn down income all the time for all manner of reasons, so I don't agree with that.

However even if what you say is true, the order is important. You must first have the spare capacity in the system, and then you can take on more people. If you run a business, and just take every contract that's given to you but don't have the capacity to honour the contract, you will fail to fulfill them all and your customers will be unhappy with you. Similarly with immigration, you need to first build the spare capacity before you encourage an increase in the rate of immigration.

Firstly, as a CEO of one company and a non-Exec director of another, that bit about business is rubbish. Cash is king. Never commit more outlay than the minimum required to secure income in the first place.

Secondly, it’s a bad analogy anyway because those people came over a long period of time. It was perfectly possible to increase capacity as they were arriving.

Not to mention the absurdity of the suggestion in political terms. Build loads of spare houses and train unneeded doctors so we can ramp up immigration in a few years time? Be serious.
 
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