So when can we expect the Tories to release that report investigating Russian funding into British politics. Or will that just be swept under the carpet and forever forgotten about?
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Hah good one
Quotes from him just now blaming the overly-busy manifesto, the remain-leaning Brexit policy and anti-semitism. Very much distancing himself from the result/ failures of the leadership.
Talk about being dramatic.
Oh woe is me, the entire population of the country will be living on the streets, apart from Boris & his henchmen.
Austerity cuts have caused tens of thousands of deaths, untold misery and hardship. The fact you think that is ‘hysteria’ says a lot about how disconnected people are from how politics actually effects peoples lives.
This post is not aimed specifically at you.
I'm a political nobody off the internet, and yet I've always voted Labour since my first vote in 1997. I have a degree, a great job and comfortable income and enjoy my life, and yet I felt as though Blair represented me . Iraq is unforgivable and rightfully made Blair toxic but his broad socio economic position meant Labour could gain a majority by joining left and centre left liberals. Ever since Milliband Jnr and Corbyn were elected, people like me felt like this party didn't represent us anymore, and that we were being emotionally blackmailed by unfair and sanctimonious vitriol. Many lifelong Labour MPs, party workers and foot soldiers from this 'centrist-left' bloc have bitterly complained about this, only to be told to fcuk off and join the tories. Well last night many did.
The UK stated last night that is doesn't really want 'social giving' and would prefer 'aspiration and opportunity' instead. I resonate with the latter. Some believe that's possible through Brexit.
Corbyn was given the entire machinery to succeed and yet his manifesto made our country sound like a developing nation from Africa. In doing so, he presided over one of Labours most disgraceful campaign results in its history. The solely left movement doesn't have enough relevance in 21st century Britain. It's time for me and the millions of others to reclaim our party. It's ours too. So if I was Wes Streeting I'd also be opportunistic and self serving right now.
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Or maybe you and the rest of the momentum corbynista's should have listened to him and the others by fecking off yourself?
45 MPs for vs 175 MPs against in PLP. But yeah "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" or something.
You've lost. Try and gain some empathy from outside your echo chamber for once!
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There is no proof whatsoever of that.
It's the socialism version of the 350m Brexit bus.
Drive around greater Manchester, you’ll see plenty of proof regarding austerity harming communities.
enough to form the sole basis of a manifesto to govern 80m people?
Brexit is the easy party line as it allows them to ignore their own failings, and push the blame on the 'centrists' who pushed them into a more remain-y policy.
But they are stupid cnuts. Ignoring everything else over Brexit and believing the right-wing media hitjob on Corbyn confirms this.
Or maybe you and the rest of the momentum corbynista's should have listened to him and the others by fecking off yourself?
45 MPs for vs 175 MPs against in PLP. But yeah "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" or something.
You've lost. Try and gain some empathy from outside your echo chamber for once!
I'm not a momentum corbynista. The fact that I indicated Corbyn needs gone should hopefully make that clear, but I've stated it for you now.
Of course, you can just keep trotting out this un-nuanced drivel, go wild.
Just been mailed by a friend who's reminded me that there are now more giant pandas in Scotland than Labour MPs.
Not too sure whether that says more about the SNP or about Labour or about giant pandas.
Not too sure whether that says more about the SNP or about Labour or about giant pandas.
It also was a policy of taking the UK back to the bad old days of the 1970. And believe me, I lived and (tried to) work during that union activists disaster. We got married, bought a house and tried to pay the mortgage while strikes were common place. And nationalised industries, in the main weren't working.
People have long memories and the Labour manifesto was soundly rejected.
Why do you think Labour and Corbyn is anti semitic? I highly doubt Labour has a strong feeling against Jews especially when there is Jewish politician within the party. Reading articles about the situation it appears to originally started about criticism towards Israel, and as these things get twisted and turned by the media now all of a sudden he’s an anti-semite.
I have no devotion to Labour, that’s just what I see of the situation.
I have to say I saw those front pages and I cannot see how they are are allowed to get away with that. Clear manipulation. It shouldn’t be allowed.
I know I will. I wont see tens of thousands of people dying who wouldn't otherwise be though, which is what I was replying to.
Just watching the 6pm news. Credit where it's due, Boris' "let's first get breakfast done" was pretty funny.
we have a poster here, that repeatedly called tory politicians "vermin" and nobody seemed to even notice.
Maybe its genuinely a language issue on my side, but in Germany only groups with very unpleasant views would ever use this kind of phrase in the context of contemporary politics.
pretty much.
No of course because you don’t see the people committing suicide because they have literally nothing to live on, or because they’re disabled and they were told they’re fine to work, or the people dying in hospital being there aren’t enough doctors and nurses.
Michael Foot was a decent man too. He got the same battering. Decency and principles just don't count for anything in Britain.
I am still waiting to see this proof that the Tories have killed tens of thousands of people.
your joking right?
I expect it does, and it's quite clear there is no causation link there. Just a nice soundbite.
No, it doesn't. But underinvestment in social services, healthcare and welfare is, at best, unlikely to result in reductions in the mortality rate of the poor, I'm sure you'd concede?
Of course. My only issue is with the hysterical 'Tories kill tens of thousands of people' which just serves to make people switch off.
I dont think it was stupidity or them voting against self interest. If your British then your almost certainly in the 10% wealthiest people on the earth. Giving everyone their fair share isn't really in your interest. If your white, racism is probably helpful too, you can have immigration just make sure that they're treated as an inferior species. Just speculating - if true it isn't just a British problem
- Healthcare costs money.
- Austerity resulted in less money being spent on healthcare.
- Generally speaking when people require healthcare it’s because they are in bad health.
- People in bad health who do not get the care they require often die.
I mean logically speaking it’s not a great stretch.
I asked you to explain, starting that with your question is beneath the debate.
I don't know they are, but I do know they are being investigated, the Jewish community for a large part think so, and last night a few of their mps brought it up.
I think in balance that outweighs your one point about the media narrative. Basically you should be wary claiming it's all lies until the investigation at least ends, no? Otherwise if there is proof, you are going to look rather odd yourself.
As above.
there is no correlation between life expectancy and average per-capita healthcare spending over 3000$ (the correlation below 3000$ is pretty clear). The UK should still be over this 3000$ threshold => the claim is nonsense.
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So did Boris manage to get breakfast done? It's an indicator of his competency going forward.
You may not be and if so, I got that wrong. Apologies.
But my point still stands, Streeting and others are right to feel vindicated for trying to stop Corbyn and Momentum from ruining the Labour party and have nothing to apologise for. In fact its Corbyn and Momentum who should be begging the Labour movement to forgive them, for ensuring a Tory Brexit Government for next 5 and probably 10 years.
Reports say he spent a fair amount of time rummaging through the fridge at least.
I don't get it with the silliness of this debate. You think trained doctors wait around unused? No, they go into the health service and waiting lists come down. If we are ever in a situation of having unneeded doctors that would be a great thing.
My whole point has been that it would have been possible to accommodate, but that no government actually tried to. Housing was the major problem here.
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Cheers.
This is interesting too.
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/...-why-my-2019-general-election-post-vote-poll/
"Digging into the Lord Ashcroft polling, 6% of people who voted Tory this time said they had voted Labour in 2017, and 6% of people who voted Labour this time said they had voted Tory in 2017. In fact, Labour got MORE of its vote from people who backed other parties in 2017 than the Tories did.
THERE WAS NO NET PATTERN OF PEOPLE SWITCHING FROM VOTING LABOUR TO VOTING TORY.
The main problem was people who previously voted Labour not voting this time - which doesn't get quantified by this polling, which only includes people who voted.
This is consistent with the overall vote pattern. Labour's vote fell by 2.6 million, while the Tories only gained 304 thousand votes."
Mods, is it time to hide that poll now?
Why?
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