I agree in terms of how they should've gone about trying to win it, do you think that gives them the win though?
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Then why the feck waste time and money for a sham election that only served to help Boris.
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I feel the same because you keep talking past my points rather than engaging.
You keep making immigration brings benefits to the country points which is true, and not being argued against.
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No, i don't. I've said repeatedly the UK could take higher taxes in some areas. We could not take the taxes necessary to pay for what Labour wanted to spend and thankfully the majority of the population saw that.
That’s news to you?
That is the EU law, but because of our antiquated national insurance issuing system we have no idea once someone is issued with a national insurance number whether they are working or not or whether they are an EU citizen or not.
Therefore the 2nd point does not apply, EU immigrants get free access to NHS, child benefit etc. whether they are working or not as we cannot tell whether they are working or not.
I think that until Labour manages to stop feeling unclean when Blair's government is mentioned, it's not getting far. You don't need to reheat the 97 manifesto but you have to try and understand why he's the most successful leader, and without resorting to cop-outs like "Murdoch press".
Bloody hell how can anyone be full of such bile that they wish such ill on those who disagree with their point of view. May I repectfully suggest that you do indeed move to the USA as I am sure that those of us that remain would be much better off. We don’t need those either right or left who hold such vicious ideas.
40 new hospitals..
The PM says the overwhelming priority of the British people is the NHS.
""My project will be complete when the Labour party learns to love Peter Mandelson."
Which has been the problem since labour lost power the last time.
They dont undertand why they lost, then then dont understand why they keep losing, and now they have lost today its the Conservatives fault for being awful, but thats not how the electorate work, when things ARE awful, or they dont like an administration, they very quickly boot them out.
People dont keep an administration in power in the UK if they are "horrific" and "millions are suffering" and "theres no hope".
Labours manifesto wasnt a "manifesto for hope" it was a un-costed unworkable fantasy that was targeted specifically at their twatter echo chamber followers and NOBODY else, a unrealistic bonkers mess.
Labour stopped being the party of the working man when Blair took power, they then went completely off the rails when they lost in 2010 and threw in with the immigrants and bleeding hearts and wondered why the centrists have completely abandoned them on every single issue.
Pile on the completely incompetent and unlikable Corbyn working as a front for the evil McDonnell and his antisemitic rants, and just plain disgusting attitude towards everyone who inst a died in the wool commie and it was always a recipe for disaster.
Between them these pair of twats have turned the labour party into a hateful, aggressive, regressive shambles and its very sad to see.
Come on.Dominic Cummings outside No. 11,
Yes. Was Brown centre right too? He ran Blair's economy for an awful long time.
Ok so you’re suggesting that leaving the EU was the only way we could take control of immigration when it’s our own National Insurance infrastructure that is the problem?
We could bring our NI system up to date for a tiny fraction of the cost of leaving the EU.
You said the migration since 00 has heaped pressure on the NhS, it’s bollocks. The EU citizens (the HUGE majority of al immigration since 00) are here working and paying for the NhS whilst barely using it.
What am I talking around? You are completely failing to respond that and explain how this EU mass migration has affected the NHS? Unless you agree that it’s been great for the tax man and that the Tory’s and old British people are the ones putting ALL of the pressure on the NhS.
I'm not making an anti EU argument here, I'm just stating facts.
Cameron didn't go into why he didn't try and bring the NI system up to date, but again I imagine it would be a multi year project and the impact of immigration was happening now. That's why he wanted the emergency brake.
Brown quite famously was much further to the left than Blair and didn’t always see eye to eye with Blair, Campbell and Mandelson.
Seriously is this really news to you?
How did Labour manage to gain just 1 seat in this election? All those Tory marginal remain voting areas, and all you manage is Putney?
And morons like Burgon still want to harp on about it being solely a Brexit election.
And morons like Burgon still want to harp on about it being solely a Brexit election.
All the immigration since the 00s has definitely put pressure on the NHS. Whether or not the Exchequer gets more money, that's a lagged effect when the impact on services is immediate.
However, the NHS is not where the impact has been most felt. The most pressing negative effect of mass immigration has been the housing crisis.
You’re stating it as a fact that we were hampered by the EU in regards to immigration and then when pressed further concede that it’s our own national insurance system that is the issue rather than EU law.
Like I said in my original point, we could have had exactly the same level of control we are “aspiring” to meet while remaining in the EU. EU law was never the problem, it’s always been down to our own governments who have decided against it.
Campbell is very traditional old Labour.
No it's not news, it's revisionism. Blair was a Labour prime minister, he was not right wing. Talk about his faults by all means, there were many, but shifting him along the political spectrum isn't news I'm afraid.
I've not mentioned the EU, I have been making an immigration point and other people have brought up the EU.
I actually disagree with you that we could have the same level of control we are aspiring to achieve, for example currently an EU painter has the right to work in the UK as long as someone will pay them to paint. Under the proposed new system, the UK can decide we have enough painters so will not issue any visas for someone looking for a painting job.
It’s hard for people to not feel hate when they see highly privileged people making deliberate policy decisions that result in the needless deaths of tens of thousands of the most vulnerable people in society.
Suggesting people calm down and discuss things as if both sides are morally equal is unlikely to dispel that hate.
Second this. Think the only way for Labour to turn it around is to set themselves as the party of working class aspiration, not the party of social giving. Even if they then do seek to provide a more socialist platform.
We're British ffs, we won't even accept biscuits if offered half the time...
I've no idea about their tax contribution in the UK, but all the estimates ( I say estimates because the Governments here have always taken great care not to publish the actual numbers ) indicate that the tax take from those immigrants who've settled here during the past 10 years ( that's ALL of them, not just those from the EU ) contribute very little tax because the overwhelming majority of them are in low skilled / low paid jobs, and therefore pay very, very little Income Tax if any at all, or are already retired and settle here from other EU countries.
Therefore, the net Tax and Soc Sec contribution to the State from immigration is almost certainly negative, although those working do contribute to an increase in the GDP and, therefore, can be credited with contributing to ' Growth ' as economists seem to measure it.
I assume that’s some sort of canned quip, but there’s nothing ideological about that comment.
Turning down economic growth on the basis that you don’t trust the Government to handle it is fairly ridiculous. You don’t turn down the income, you choose a Government that can handle it.
Genuine question, can anyone give me some potential positives of this Tory government?
Because apparently Labour ran a negative campaign but all I can see are people happy that Corbyn didn't get in without explaining what it is exactly we/they've won?
Also something other than getting Brexit done please as it's still very much up in the air as to whether that is a good thing or not.
Because apparently Labour ran a negative campaign but all I can see are people happy that Corbyn didn't get in without explaining what it is exactly we/they've won?
Also something other than getting Brexit done please as it's still very much up in the air as to whether that is a good thing or not.
We get to moan about their feck ups
Boris is a moron, so probably banter and memes
People choose to turn down income all the time for all manner of reasons, so I don't agree with that.
However even if what you say is true, the order is important. You must first have the spare capacity in the system, and then you can take on more people. If you run a business, and just take every contract that's given to you but don't have the capacity to honour the contract, you will fail to fulfill them all and your customers will be unhappy with you. Similarly with immigration, you need to first build the spare capacity before you encourage an increase in the rate of immigration.
We'll always have our memes. Loving the Begbie one going around today.
This kind of hysterical nonsense is why most Tory voters didnt bother to get into discussions about the election.
If you’ve no idea, why pipe in?
The vast majority of migration to the UK is from the EU and....
European citizens make a net contribution of £2,300 more than the average UK resident. Their total net contribution was £4.7 billion in 2016/2017.
So you’ve no idea and you’re talking out of your arse @Full bodied red
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