BeforeKeanetherewasRobson
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Wow. Workington too... been Labour forever.
The problems I have had with NHS have nothing to do with whether it's a Labour government or a Conservative government.
This was a second referendum in all but name. The Labour vote has swung to the Brexit Party. The country wants to leave.
What is wrong with you?They have everything to do with who the government are. Who do you think funds the NHS?
Chelsea fan who isn't a Tory. He's clearly going through an identity crisis.What is wrong with you?
What is wrong with you?
What is wrong with you for fecks sake? After you came out with that nonsense about buses, now you reckon the people controlling the NHS don’t have any influence over problems in the NHS. It’s fecking bizarre.
I think its because my mentality is that we currently live in a utopia... for people a hundred years ago, and the main reason for that was the desire for change and continual progression. we are currently stuck perpetuating a system that isn't going to get any better and if the labour party doesn't present a credible genuine left wing option then this is it, and it isn't good enough for the majority of people as in the standard of living for a vast chunk of the electorate is getting worse and the gap in inequality is only going to continue to widen.And one on Sky earlier was saying results prove it wasn't about brexit.
Neither of us know for sure at this moment, but what we do know is brexit or no Labour keep losing. And this time they've been humiliated.
I just don't understand the clamour to blame brexit then keep things the same. We are going to be stuck with the Tories for a long while now, no chance Labour are coming back from this anytime soon whilst there's no actual change.
very consistent theme emerging:Workington gone Tory. Jesus..
Hope your son is much better.
It is when compared with the 220 or so other countries in the world. Its amazing, amongst the very best in that context.
And the public seems to disagree with you. Why is that?
Labour still winning atm
Jo Swinson's too?Andy Burnham's old seat is a toss-up, per the exit poll.
I never said that though. Go back and read my comment, try to digest it before reacting to it.What is wrong with you for fecks sake? After you came out with that nonsense about buses, now you reckon the people controlling the NHS don’t have any influence over problems in the NHS. It’s fecking bizarre.
Swinson and Skinner are both likely gone, I think Leigh is a pure 50/50 right now.Jo Swinson's too?
And Skinner?
Looks like Brexit party are going to get zero MPs but a decent (for them) % of votes. A lot of people annoyed at lack of progress re leave moving from Labour but only a small % going to Conservatives .. don't want to vote Labour but can't vote Conservative so voting Brexit as a protest vote despite knowing unlikely Brexit party will win a seat.
I think its because my mentality is that we currently live in a utopia... for people a hundred years ago, and the main reason for that was the desire for change and continual progression. we are currently stuck perpetuating a system that isn't going to get any better and if the labour party doesn't present a credible genuine left wing option then this is it, and it isn't good enough for the majority of people as in the standard of living for a vast chunk of the electorate is getting worse and the gap in inequality is only going to continue to widen.
To this end im not going to give up my ideological beliefs that i hold dear, to advocate for the vulnerable and those in a deterministic environments with no adequate hope for a better life, from my position of relative prosperity, because if i do and others do then my future kids wont live in a better world.
I never said that though. Go back and read my comment, try to digest it before reacting to it.
Jesus, never imagined a timeline where swathes of working class Labour towns fall to the most right-wing pro-austerity Tory party in decades, where the most left-wing iteration of Labour in our generation relies on the likes of Kensington as their consolation prize.
Brexit is a helluva drug
For me Labour's policy on Brexit seemed to make the most sense, people would've had the chance to vote on the actual deal they had vs remain. I supposed "get brexit done" is a very simple soundbite and doesn't give people the impression that you're telling them they didn't know what they were voting for.very consistent theme emerging:
Labour losing votes in every Leave majority constituency. Even when those where Labour seats with prior decent majorities.
Even when Labour retain a seat, it's with a reduced majority.
Conclusion has to be that UK wants Brexit. There can be no doubt of that.
Cummings market research and finger on the pulse of the nation was spot on. UK electorate will allow BJ as much latitude and scope as it requires to 'Get Brexit Done'. Thats why they were so belligerent with things like proroguing parliament, being abusive to opposition and all BJ's other character defects. It's equally damning that Corbyn and his Momentum groupies didn't understand this.
In the end, it seems as though the Tory Toffs were representing the peoples wish, while the Labour elites where stuck in the Highgate Islington bubble.