What is the BBC coverage like? I can't listen to Dermot Murnaghan for much longer and I can't find a decent C4 stream.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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I suspect tonights insight into how UK public reaches to a charlatan leader will be similar over the pond
Kinnock was another labour leader who got absolutely destroyed by the right-wing media. Interesting seeing how consistent Corbyn has been from back then. As Livingston pointed out, their policies of 1992 were all fully-backed by the party and membership so blaming Kinnock for trying to move them to the centre was daft.
You guys are sadists. I'm out.
I ain't no grass
Guy at work has spent the last year posting daily messages on Facebook about the SNPs and anti Tory memes. In the last week he kept reposting "protect the NHS" and "stop the Tories" memes.
He came in today and when I asked him who he voted for in the morning he said he couldn't do it because he couldn't find his polling card. When I told him that he didn't need it he just shrugged and said that he wasn't going near the station again today. We work ten minutes drive from it so he could've done it on his lunch break but instead he just sat on his arse watching YouTube. He's currently on Facebook right now talking about how shit the election result was.
Modern politics in a nutshell, basically. Just make sure that you appear active.
I’ve turned over. I’m miserable enough as it is and their coverage is very right wing tonight unsurprisingly.
Its looking like a massive landslide to the Tories. Restored my faith in this country.
From 1979 to 2019 we've had all but 13 years of Conservative rule. And that 13 years of Labour came when the party moved to the middle. The old school Labour party hasn't won an election since the 1970s and the old school Labour loyalists --- the working class, the unions, the North have died out. It's more likely to say the older voters of today haven't forgotten it because they never experienced it in their younger years and at this point of their life care more about themselves than the next generation.
Brexit takes that seat away from the tories.
A lot to be said for a bottle of malt in reserve just in case of disasters like this. I do get a lot of disasters though.Brexit party have cost the Tories another seat gain in Sunderland central.
I think that's a certainty tbh. I think I hate Mitch McConnell more than any Tory MP and I don't even live in America.
I've always felt that the only way to unite the country again, following the referendum, was for Brexit to happen. Neither side would accept the other options.
Lab hold Sunderland central, but vote share down by a lot
They're attacking the vocal centrists who have attacked the leader and fed a narrative. Whatever side of the debate you're on that wasn't helpful. I don't believe it's anything to do with diluting the message.
To stand a chance next time we can't have so many years of infighting
I did, and I got a warning for it. On the insult spectrum, I think tool is a lot less offensive that cnut.
I’m a poor student. I won’t have any single malt for another 2 weeks
bloody welsh!
Genuine question. Like him or not, Corbyn has always been spoken about as a man with morals above all else.
But he lost the previous two elections, had he stepped down last time we might have had a different result today.
So is he not another career politician? In which case, man or morals is all bollocks? Surely for the greater good he should have stepped down?
But he lost the previous two elections, had he stepped down last time we might have had a different result today.
So is he not another career politician? In which case, man or morals is all bollocks? Surely for the greater good he should have stepped down?
Can I come round?
Blyth Valley Labour since 1950 voting Conservative seems pretty big.
I'm talking about pensioners. My mum for instance. She was working class but voted for tories because of Brexit. She thinks immigrants taking our jobs is more important than the NHS or young people being able to get an education, job and a house.
That’s certain now. Brexit is going to happen, Tories have to own it and will be under scrutiny for a lot more than Brexit from here on in. .
Older people don't go online as much?
4-1 quick, where’s the cash out button?!
Momentum killed the party. You don't go full Corbyn, no matter how appetising it sounds. You need to compromise with what others want. Ironically, you need to be socialist.
I’d love to know what these northern ex-Labour voting Leavers actually think is going to happen when we leave. That apparently justifies handing the country to the Tories for 5 years.
Also Laura k is clearly delighted and it sickens me
I agree. However it's not as if the right are having to compromise.
Bercow hitting the nail on the head here in that a lot of new Tory votes aren’t for any sort of nuanced Brexit deal, they just want it done and as of now they don’t necessarily understand what that will mean.
Don't worry, Bet 365 payout when you have a 2 goal lead!
Laura k has never looked this smug. And she always looks smug 
Nope, they are going to dig deeper and blame everyone but themselves.
It's pretty amazing they can't see the ridiculousness in attacking everyone and everything even slightly different to their views whilst expecting support.
The party was already ripped apart before this humiliation, and there's no desire to bring it back together it seems.
No. Feck off.
Time for some people to wake up and look around them?
Shock of some of you that the Tories won is surprising to me, labour honestly never had a chance imo.
Such a huge difference in the poll here and yet a completely different outcome in the election.
Shades of what I’ve always maintained, that the general opinion of the caf is FAR removed from that of the general match going fan.
Shock of some of you that the Tories won is surprising to me, labour honestly never had a chance imo.
Such a huge difference in the poll here and yet a completely different outcome in the election.
Shades of what I’ve always maintained, that the general opinion of the caf is FAR removed from that of the general match going fan.
I just changed from Sky to ITV because Sky was too right wing, and they immediately put Nigel fecking Farage on.. kill me now..
I was more observing on a point than making one.
I never said it was wrong to point out the mess the Tories are making (in your opinion) did I?
I’ve always said people are entitled to have whatever opinion they want... I have just had the feeling in the build up to today that one set of supporters has been a bit more forceful than the others, and I will be quite happy to see that attitude fall flat on its face.
Do you think we are oblivious to that fact? We discuss it on a daily basis.
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