UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%

  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%

  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%

  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%

  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%

  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%
  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Amber Rudd thinks Boris is going to Pivot :lol:
 
Fiskey said:
I'm sorry for a lot of the guys I've been debating with over the past few weeks, you clearly believe this is the wrong thing with a real passion. I think it's just important we keep respecting the other side's opinion, don't declare them evil for holding it, keep the debates civil.
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Class act. I’ve not posted much but have enjoyed reading the opinions of both sides, at least the civil bits.
 
Hopefully Burgon can join McDonnell in never appearing in British politics ever again.
 
VeevaVee said:
It'll genuinely be hard not to dropkick anyone who talks about this tomorrow with a smirk on their face
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I've got a family lunch tomorrow, my brother has work so I'm going to be the only non-Tory there. I might go impale myself with some scissors.
 
Klopper76 said:
This also finishes the second referendum talk imo. The country is firmly behind Johnson and Brexit.
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Yeah, England seems to be. Likewise Scotland doesn't and it'll be really interesting to see how the next few months play out. I wouldn't be surprised if Scotland just end up holding a referendum without Westminster's blessing if Boris says no, which I think he'll actually agree to.
 
Pexbo said:
I don’t actually think he’s going to last 5 years. I don’t think he has the attention span for it. He’s going to see Brexit through and piss off before he has to deal with the difficult bit.

I’m going to predict a pretty hard recession within the next 3 years and the political landscape will change drastically.
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At least the Tories will have to start actually owning stuff now, there’s far less places for them to hide.
 
All those banging on about "be electable" evidently that's to be a leave party. You'd have been happy for Labour to do that would you?
 
Rams said:
How on earth did anybody ever think it was a good idea to have Corbyn as party leader is beyond me. The guy probably means well, but he’s totally unelectable. I wouldn’t have voted for him.
Labour needs a shift to the the center and charismatic leader who appeals to a much broader public.
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I'm not 100% sure on this but during the Labour leadership election voting wasn't there a mad rush of new sign-ups? I seem to remember some Brexit loving maniac at university saying he'd signed up as a Labour party member for it.

The whole process of allowing the public to vote for the leader is a mess. You need strategy in selecting leaders.
 
The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg said that if the exit poll figures are broadly correct then Conservative Party leader and Prime Minister Boris Johnson will get the backing he needs in Parliament to take the UK out of the EU next month.

It would be the biggest Conservative victory since 1987 and Labour's worst result since 1935, the poll suggests, with the party forecast to lose 71 seats.
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Absolutely batshit.
 
balaks said:
I don't blame the youth, Corbyn was unelectable. It's his fault.
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If only there had been signs that this was the case. Or signs that his approach to Brexit was alienating young voters. Like, say, repeated polls over a long time period charting this impending failure.

Such are the mysteries of politics I guess.
 
Well if the exit poll is correct we have the answer to the question, can you win a UK election from the hard left? It's no if you are drunk and can't work it out.
 
I'm in tears. I knew it would be bad but hoped it wouldn't be this bad. I was truly optimistic about getting a government that actually cared about it's people.
 
Rams said:
How on earth did anybody ever think it was a good idea to have Corbyn as party leader is beyond me. The guy probably means well, but he’s totally unelectable. I wouldn’t have voted for him.
Labour needs a shift to the the center and charismatic leader who appeals to a much broader public.
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Who the heck is finding Boris Johnson charismatic and appealing though?
 
Got the alternative one on. Rinder can feck off. Talking about racism as if Tories aren't far far worse.
 
nimic said:
Okay, but have the right moved to the centre? If not, then what you're saying is essentially that the country has moved right, and Labour following them is going to turn Labour into not-Labour, and the march to the right will continue regardless.
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Siorac said:
This need for centrism and compromise only seems to appeal to the left. The right can get as extreme as they want, - see Trump in the US - but the left has to be cautious and centrist and ready to compromise and basically give up any leftist ideals.

It's not centrism that wins. It's not what won in the US, it's not how the conservatices win in the UK.
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Christ, it's hard work at times.

The hard left is not going to win, screw what the right are doing at the moment. I'm saying Labour could and should come back in again, not all the way, but not so far out either. I mean, if they don't and we end up with another Corbyn what exactly do you think is going to happen again?

I'm in no way saying that's how it SHOULD be, but that's how it is. People becry, rightly so, these people voting for a government fecking us all over. But I also have to shake my head at how so many can watch this utter humiliation go down and just want more of the same.
 
marktan said:
But that's happening in many countries throughout the world, especially in Europe. The underlying causes for that are deep, with a whole mix of things like rising xenophobia towards migration, wealth inequality being massively exacerbated over the last 10 years due to QE, push back against the EU etc.

The solution to that is not to push further towards the left. Like it or not, the vast majority of people are centrists, and if you want to win elections you need to appeal to them.
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The solution seems to be pushing further and further to the right which suggests it's not centrism that's a winning strategy. It's fear and appeals to xenophobia and 'national pride' and the evil bureaucrats of the EU or the 'deep state', depending on where you are.

The left needs to be better at demonising its opposition to get those 'centrists'. But then they'll alienate their own core who are generally much stricter and less forgiving regarding their 'own team' than right-wingers who seem to accept just about anything from their own.
 
Redlambs said:
I'm clearly talking centre left though. Clearly.

You just choose to be argumentative. But in any case, I'd take a centrist right now over this shit show we've just seen. Wouldn't you?
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You are now, it wasn't clear originally tbh. It depends on policies really, I doubt a centrist Labour leader would've done much better unless they were backing brexit.
 
The only way this country will ever have a socialist government is if they get elected through the center then shift to the left.
 
95% chance Swinson has lost her seat to SNP
 
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