UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

[dumbo]

On the positive note at least the Tory opposition have 5 years to get their house in order, whilst Boris & chums have no where to hide and all their lies & false promises come back to haunt them. Could well be the death of the Tory party in the long term.

Although they've spent the last 10 brutalising the most vulnerable in society and have been rewarded with a majority.

I believe that it's not largely the stupid that did this. I think cruelty simply doesn't register with many many people, unless it's being inflicted on them personally.

How am I supposed to have any faith in this whole thing with such a proud display of callousness.

 

[balaks]

NI will the biggest winners if they get a Brexit with an Irish sea border.

Fingers crossed

 

[nimic]

That silver lining you think you’re seeing is actually just the tin foil you covered everything in.

That's so poetic I nearly fainted.

 

[Kasper]

No surprise, this country is in firm Murdoch grip.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

Thing is, leftist parties get told that they have to nominate centrists while right-wing parties march further and further to the right. The end result will be an overall slide towards the right.

Pretty much this, the labour national party took a decision to go back to their roots in order to combat the slide to the right. Labour being a centre party would have terrible consequences for progressive policies through a consistent slide in the overton window. they wanted to make a stand, but obviously they couldn't get the message out amid the change in politics since trumps campaign.

If anything labour need to drop the moral high ground and play dirty now, they cant beat the tory's playing their own game.

 

[horsechoker]

Wonder if we'll even get the silver lining of BoJo losing his seat

 

[MoskvaRed]

You can’t win a British election from that far left.

You can’t win Northern seats with a dim-witted Southern public schoolboy called Jeremy who admires Chavez and Morales.

You can expend a lot of self-righteous anger disputing the points above.

Momentum’s self-indulgence has cost the country dear.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Sure we’ll hear Boris bleating about no mandate for Indy Ref 2. Thankfully I think this is terminal for the union.

Tbh he'll want Scotland gone. Too much risk of Labour getting votes and reducing his majority.

 

[sebsheep]

You are wasting your time.

It's like endlessly losing, embarassingly so this time, is what they want. Personally I want a real opposition on the left.

Yet you're saying Labour need a centrist candidate...

 

[Smores]

No it's not. If there was even a reasonably decent center candidate from the Labour they would've done very well. Instead the people have no other choice but to back the conservatives. Did anyone really think normal people would back the likes of Corbyn and Dianne Abbot? The answer is no.

Yeah leavers would definitely vote Labour just because it's a more likeable leader

 

[balaks]

Youth vote clearly didn't come out for Labour. Again as I expected and again I got shot down. I hate being right when it means the Tories win.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Let's hear it from all the Corbyn acolytes now

Sack Ole.

 

[Redlambs]

Yet you're saying Labour need a centrist candidate...

Wait, you mean they can't move further in again?

Oh I forget, it's left/centre/right only. And centre is a waste of time to you all, so it's left/right. Except the left have just been completely destroyed, so it's just right.

Great.

 

[VeevaVee]

Yeah leavers would definitely vote Labour just because it's a more likeable leader

Yup. Anyone suggesting something as wild and undemocratic as a more educated vote on Brexit would've had the same fate.

 

[Pexbo]

Yet you're saying Labour need a centrist candidate...

We need a much strong candidate on the left! That’s why that candidate must be on the centre!

 

[cyberman]

DUP on BBC1 claiming Boris can get a better deal for them now since they have the power of parliament for feck sake. Europe knew Parliament wouldnt agree so stiffed them.. Now Boris can come back with some authority.
Headless chickens the lot of them.

 

[Hephaestus]

Tbh he'll want Scotland gone. Too much risk of Labour getting votes and reducing his majority.

Doubt it. He cares too much about his legacy to be the PM when the union broke up and rejecting a second referendum will keep the SNP vote high enough that Labour stay wiped out in Scotland.

 

[rcoobc]

Youth vote clearly didn't come out for Labour. Again as I expected and again I got shot down. I hate being right when it means the Tories win.

Let#s start the blame the youth game again

 

[Rado_N]

What kind of person looks at what’s gone on the last 10 years and thinks “more of that please”?

 

[Member 109952]

Thing is, leftist parties get told that they have to nominate centrists while right-wing parties march further and further to the right. The end result will be an overall slide towards the right.

But that's happening in many countries throughout the world, especially in Europe. The underlying causes for that are deep, with a whole mix of things like rising xenophobia towards migration, wealth inequality being massively exacerbated over the last 10 years due to QE, push back against the EU etc.

The solution to that is not to push further towards the left. Like it or not, the vast majority of people are centrists, and if you want to win elections you need to appeal to them.

 

[Redlambs]

Youth vote clearly didn't come out for Labour. Again as I expected and again I got shot down. I hate being right when it means the Tories win.

Wasn't worth the fight there mate. I was writing a post yesterday questing why people were so convinced all the kids were voting Labour, but thought better of it.

I didn't dare think it would be this bad though. The breakdown of the figures will be very interesting.

 

[dumbo]

More depressing than Trump. At least Trump could be explained as novelty.

There is nothing new or unknowable to this cruel Tory ideology.

 

[Ubik]

Wait, you mean they can't move further in again?

Oh I forget, it's left/centre/right only. And centre is a waste of time to you all, so it's left/right. Except the left have just been completely destroyed, so it's just right.

Great.

A traditional rightwing party versus a traditional leftwing party, with the traditional result.

 

[TMDaines]

Hopefully it doesn’t take our centre and leftist parties multiple further general elections to realise that they have more far more that unites than divides them and in a first-past-the-post system they simply cannot to hope to beat a more united right that remains dominated by a single party.

I think in seat-by-seat breakdowns we will so many seats lost where Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP have divided the vote. London and other parts of the South will make for appalling reading.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

I'm sorry for a lot of the guys I've been debating with over the past few weeks, you clearly believe this is the wrong thing with a real passion. I think it's just important we keep respecting the other side's opinion, don't declare them evil for holding it, keep the debates civil.

I appreciate the sentiment, its a classy post, but unfortunately for me and others who have looked past the surface level discourse, and understand the philosophy behind the ideology's see nothing but abject continued destruction for the most vulnerable people in the country.

 

[rcoobc]

You can’t win a British election from that far left.

You can’t win Northern seats with a dim-witted Southern public schoolboy called Jeremy who admires Chavez and Morales.

You can expend a lot of self-righteous anger disputing the points above.

Momentum’s self-indulgence has cost the country dear.

Agreed

 

[VeevaVee]

It'll genuinely be hard not to dropkick anyone who talks about this tomorrow with a smirk on their face

 

[esmufc07]

 

[sebsheep]

Wait, you mean they can't move further in again?

Oh I forget, it's left/centre/right only. And centre is a waste of time to you all, so it's left/right. Except the left have just been completely destroyed, so it's just right.

Great.

I didn't say any of that. You said you want real opposition from the left, but you want a Labour leader in the centre not even centre left.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Hopefully it doesn’t take our centre and leftist parties multiple further general elections to realise that they have more far more that unites than divides them and in a first-past-the-post system they simply cannot to hope to beat a more united right that remains dominated by a single party.

I think in seat-by-seat breakdowns we will so many seats lost where Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP have divided the vote. London and other parts of the South will make for appalling reading.

London? Worry about England's North.

 

[DOTA]

I don't think there is any doubt that if this prediction is anywhere near accurate that Corbyn goes.

 

[nimic]

Wait, you mean they can't move further in again?

Oh I forget, it's left/centre/right only. And centre is a waste of time to you all, so it's left/right. Except the left have just been completely destroyed, so it's just right.

Great.

Okay, but have the right moved to the centre? If not, then what you're saying is essentially that the country has moved right, and Labour following them is going to turn Labour into not-Labour, and the march to the right will continue regardless.

 

[Honest John]

So is RLB the way to go for Labour or do they need to revert back Blairism?

 

[Paxi]

Depressing.

 

[Pexbo]

I don’t actually think he’s going to last 5 years. I don’t think he has the attention span for it. He’s going to see Brexit through and piss off before he has to deal with the difficult bit.

I’m going to predict a pretty hard recession within the next 3 years and the political landscape will change drastically.

 

[balaks]

Let#s start the blame the youth game again

I don't blame the youth, Corbyn was unelectable. It's his fault.

 

[Rams]

How on earth did anybody ever think it was a good idea to have Corbyn as party leader is beyond me. The guy probably means well, but he’s totally unelectable. I wouldn’t have voted for him.
Labour needs a shift to the the center and charismatic leader who appeals to a much broader public.

 

[Redlambs]

I didn't say any of that. You said you want real opposition from the left, but you want a Labour leader in the centre not even centre left.

I'm clearly talking centre left though. Clearly.

You just choose to be argumentative. But in any case, I'd take a centrist right now over this shit show we've just seen. Wouldn't you?

 

[Member 109952]

What kind of person looks at what’s gone on the last 10 years and thinks “more of that please”?

The people who look to the other side and see Corbyn, Mcdonnell and Abbot.

Brexit voters.

Tbf, the last 10 years have seen large wealth increases for asset owners so the relatively well off would be very happy to vote for Conservatives. Also things like Labour and Lib dem splitting their voting basis (whereas Cons and Brexit party haven't) don't help.

 

[Siorac]

Wait, you mean they can't move further in again?

Oh I forget, it's left/centre/right only. And centre is a waste of time to you all, so it's left/right. Except the left have just been completely destroyed, so it's just right.

Great.

This need for centrism and compromise only seems to appeal to the left. The right can get as extreme as they want, - see Trump in the US - but the left has to be cautious and centrist and ready to compromise and basically give up any leftist ideals.

It's not centrism that wins. It's not what won in the US, it's not how the conservatices win in the UK.