I just spoke to everybody in my street and they all voted BNP
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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That’s just fecking odd, I’ve voted both red & blue in Sweden (and centre) and if I returned back to the UK I’d vote for the party with the best manifesto.
Obviously.
Why are people so ridiculously narrow minded?
It's nothing to do with that really, there are plenty of us working class voters who can't stomach the idea of perpetual high taxation, overspend and fiscal irresponsibility. Not to mention Corbyn's specific brand of 'chip on his shoulder' politics over the wealthy, and some of the real nasties in his party who continue to deny the antisemitism issue.
Thankfully I seem to have avoided that. And I'll be doing my utmost to try to raise my boys to be much more free thinking too.
No. He stated earlier. He's a self confessed nasty bastard. The honesty is actually refreshing rather than the mob in here that pretend they agonised over voting for the Tories.
This just popped up in my twitter feed. Think it's quite powerful. Bloke used to post here, I think?
French bankers are the worst.
And yet you are a self proclaimed tribal Tory. How did it start then?
I'm the same. I'd always vote for my interests/priorities, whether those were best served by red, blue or yellow.
Pragmatism is quite a rare trait these days, or at least social media makes it appear so.
Why do you hate labour so much?
According to the stats, about a quarter of people usually change their mind during an election.
And if you want to know, I was an inch away from voting for Cameron in 2010. Eventually I voted Lib Dem. I bitterly regret both those things of course in hindsight!
Then I was Green in 2015 and I still vote Green in local and European elections (feck Lambeth Labour council!).
Now I'm Labour because I like their policies. The reason I switched votes in 2010 though, is just that I think 10 years of any party is too much, the pendulum needs to swing the other way sometimes regardless of your natural inclination. New Labour was rotten to the core and I'm glad they got trounced in 2015 because at least there's actual differences between the parties again finally.
Problem is, I genuinely fear the Tories are going to destroy our electoral system if they get in again this time round. They've promised a new charter of human rights written by the psychopath Priti Patel, they've promised to pass a law saying ministers can change the law so that they aren't doing anything illegal when they get challenged in court, they're going to redraw all the constituency boundaries, and they're threatening to abolish the "leftie" media channels like the BBC (lol?) and Channel 4.
I'd honestly vote for Tony Blair again over this lot and I'm in the hang Tony for war crimes brigade. At least he didn't try to fundamentally destroy our democracy.
Fair one but you cant pretend Labour voters aren't exactly the same.
Peston might get it
so you must absolutely love being lied to as long as it angers the snowflake liberals?
60 minutes @MikeUpNorth @Rado_N
Yes, a disproportionately high tax burden on the working class such as that which currently exists is smashing. The Tories are a fine upstanding bunch too, thankfully there's no nasties or antisemites there.
Labour are worse for it TBH. All the 'Tory Scum' shit all over Twitter, general tribal nastiness and cultish support of JC.
I don't think you're in a minority, perhaps historically but not anymore.
I'm a Labour member but I'd certainly have voted Lib Dem if i needed to. I think i actually voted Green last time round, ultimately your vote is either choosing a preference or communicating policy direction.
If Labour lurched to the actual right rather than just centre then people would abandon them.
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I was raised in the 80s by a father who dragged himself up and started his own business. I was raised to love Maggie and hate Labour.
That's Twitter. Have a look on Facebook which tilts more right-wing and carries more disinformation.
They are not the same because they are literally voting for policies that are beneficial to the everyman yet you who apparently also an everyman literally are voting for policies against you for the sake of tribal pride.
so where are we watching the results
BBC?, Sky? Channel 4?
BBC?, Sky? Channel 4?
I diametrically oppose everything the Tories stand for. It’s not about personalities or tribalism. Unless they suddenly leaned left then I won’t be voting for them but if they did have a great manifesto that I believed was good for the country then I’m not pig headed enough to think rule out ever voting for them.
I can fairly confidently say that our ideologies are never going to align though.
Apparently, Boris just arrived to his constituency for further desperate last-minute campaigning as it’s extremely close.
The Tories are all about social mobility to this very day.
Channel 4 probably.
Interesting.
I was raised to love all things labour, and never vote Tory.
But then I started to think for myself.
I’m all for exit polls, far too many immigrants as there is.
Channel 4 for me but I’ll probably surf a bit. Hoping that David Mitchell is on there again, he was brilliant last time.
He's in Downing Street according to Sky.
This.
My vote has changed parties but unless the Tories had did an almost complete ideological 360 I cannot imagine I'd ever find their manifesto appealing. They are, in general against most things I like and for many things I dislike.
This is why, for instance, I'd always be anti BNP. I am also anti Liverpool (although far, far, far less so) but that is just stupid tribalism. My hated of the BNP (and the Tories) is not.
Edit: As was pointed out to me, an ideological 180 not 360. That was a circular argument.
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To be fair Labour policies don't generally try to screw over the most vulnerable in society, there might be a link between the Tories doing that and people choosing to call them scum.
Packing.
I hope we get some scraps to be happy about tonight at least. A little moment of joy in what will likely be a tumescent evening. Raab, IDS or Boris would be nice.
Probably changing the locks.
Fingers crossed!
So what conclusion have you come to then?
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