UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%

  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%

  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%

  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%

  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%

  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%
  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Maticmaker said:
There is nothing ethical about politics during an election, its only about winning by persuading enough people to vote for you/your party.

Ethics comes into it (should come into it) when laws are being made in the House of Commons/Lords, until then its a 'roadshow' containing TV specials, a media frenzy of digging up every word the candidates ever said in the past, a daily running commentary on/in social media 'echo chambers', even the old fashioned hustings are now totally staged managed, events packed with supporters cheering every word.

The only person who has made any real impact has been Andrew Neil, with his interviews of the Party Leaders with ground to make up, who agreed to appear with him in the vain hope they could tame Andrew and advance their cause, all shot down in flames. Boris out in front doesn't need to take that risk, I call it being smart!
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Politics should be the epitome of ethical.

It’s not.

But praising unethical people and calling them ‘Smart’ is part of the problem.

Be part of the solution. Boris isn’t being smart. He’s a duplicitous liar who is 99% of the way there In conning the people whose lives he will make worse, to vote for him.
 
Maticmaker said:
Straw man argument... its not what I was saying!
In the 'three-ringed circus' that now purports to be an Election run in, Boris has enough sense to stay out of the way of the interviewing juggernaut that is Andrew Neil... if he had been trailing in the polls he would have been forced to take the chance.
Its a smart move!
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If you think the right word is ‘Smart’.... you’re not Smart.
 
Leading Conservative Party elders plead electorate to #VoteForAnyoneButTheTories

Ex Conservative Prime Minister John Major says Don't Vote Conservative!



Ex Conservative Deputy Prime Minister Michael Heseltine, regarded as the 'lionheart' of conservatism during his heyday says Don't Vote Conservative!



Ditto ex Conservative cabinet Minister David Gauke says Don't Vote Conservative!

 
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sun_tzu said:
Nope... Because by now most people have also realised what Corbyn is like as well and judging by the polls whilst neither is massively popular Corbyn is much more unpopular
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I reckon Corbyn generates the greater number of both "Hell Yes"s and "Holy Christ No"s. Boris just gets the preponderance of the much larger "Oh ffs, I guess if I have to choose" quota, and it's these latter that will likely make up the difference.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Still unclear though - I'm saying that Johnson's approval is more "I like bananas" than "I fecking love ice-cream" whereas Corbyn's admittedly smaller base demonstrates the reverse. Meanwhile Hell Nos are probably equally ardent but Corbyn has more of them.
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I can't help but think with a more popular leader labour would walk this election
I think Jess Phillips for example would be looking at a huge majority in the country... But certainly wouldn't win with momentum against her in the labour party
Shame but hopefully it doesn't take another 5 years and another defeat for labour to see sense
 
I make it £71.5K too, tbf

He's quoting Nimesh Shah, partner at Blick Rothenberg. The writer is just a grunt, he has no idea what he's doing. He just called a few people up for comment and put them together in an article.

I used to work for a firm which merged with Blick Rothenberg. So, if I had never left:
1. I'd be much better off than I am now, and;
2. I'd be able to march in his office and beat him about the head with a stick.

Send him an email, but try to be polite, eh, @Ekkie Thump
 
Sassy Colin said:
I make it £71.5K too, tbf

He's quoting Nimesh Shah, partner at Blick Rothenberg. The writer is just a grunt, he has no idea what he's doing. He just called a few people up for comment and put them together in an article.

I used to work for a firm which merged with Blick Rothenberg. So, if I had never left:
1. I'd be much better off than I am now, and;
2. I'd be able to march in his office and beat him about the head with a stick.

Send him an email, but try to be polite, eh, @Ekkie Thump
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My cousins husband is a partner at BR. Is it a good firm?
 
finneh said:
Bloody hell though I didn't realise Labour were planning to abolish Entrepreneurs' Relief.

Can't believe that hasn't been pushed massively by the Tories. A tax on Job/wealth creation.
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Apparently the Tories are looking to reform it as well, so hardly just Labour leftism on show here.

Plenty of criticism that a lot of applications essentially take the piss insofar as they're often wealthy and basically want another handy tax cut.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
is there any more debates and interviews after tonight's debate?
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There's a QT with an under 30 audience and representatives of the major parties, but nothing on this level that could actually change minds.
 
Cheesy said:
Apparently the Tories are looking to reform it as well, so hardly just Labour leftism on show here.

Plenty of criticism that a lot of applications essentially take the piss insofar as they're often wealthy and basically want another handy tax cut.
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I disagree with the criticism. As someone who in the next 5 years may well invest a mid 6 figure sum in starting a business it would certainly put me off making that investment in favour of sticking with where I am.

This relief has contributed to several working class entrepreneurs that I know being able to have a solid and secure retirement.

Disincentivising something that is great for the economy, great for job creation, great for innovation and is also something incredibly risky for the individual in my view is stupid.

I'd have no issue increasing the share requirement from 5% to maybe 10-15% which would stamp out many speculators.

/Edit: it's also comparatively inexpensive at around 0.1% of GDP and in my view it more than generates its own revenue through greater investment
 
The quality of questions from all the debates has been dire - what was the point of asking that first? It doesn't actually ask anything of either leader, it's just an open ended question with no point.
 
Did I hear that right from Boris :

Benefits of BrExit is reduced tax on tampons?! Is that what he said?
 
Sort of just all more of the same at this point.
 
Can they not just get industry experts, financial experts, economists etc. to scrutinise these two?

Cute and wholesome as it is getting average Joe to ask the questions, your average Joe knows feck all.
 
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