How did your 6 hours canvassing go? what was the general attitude? What tough questions did you face?
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Fair play for canvassing. Not sure I could deal with all the idiots you inevitably come across.
You really think pensioners are going to win a civil war?
Shit does that mean you're my landlord?!
Yup, he also owns any diamonds you have.
When you think Brexit is going to start a civil war and you’re going to move to South Africa for sanctuary, you need to leave your Twitter echo chamber and put your head in an ice cold bucket of water.
That’s not what I meant. You can’t appeal to these people. The idiots and the uneducated are a waste of time. It’s the rational, smart and educated people that you have to appeal to so they can make the leap into the right choice and save the idiots from themselves in the process.
I’m not experienced so wasn’t tasked with anything tough mostly supporting and stuffing leaflets. I am on leave for a few days and decided to give it a go first time ever. There’s no chance in my constituency so went to the closest marginal and Labour target from My Campaign Map.
Surprisingly the big subject was education. A lot of parents worried about their children’s schools and class sizes etc. I’m not experienced so wasn’t tasked with anything tough mostly supporting and stuffing leaflets. I am on leave for a few days and decided to give it a go first time ever. It was brutal listening to those that talked to people in the poorest areas where people are getting by but aren’t in the gutter. The biggest coup for the right is convincing the poorest they are the men of the people and the left are the elite. A mention of this elitism was Labour MPs taking their kids to private school which when countered with people like Moggs or Johnsons being privately educated for generations, gets a reply from the voter of “but they have always had money”
It was fascinating to hear how deeply duped those people were. I don’t know what needs to happen for this to change.In the better areas long life Tory voters couldn’t stand Boris or what the party has become. A lot of them voting tactically for the local Labour candidate even though they don’t like Corbyn, they see him as lesser of two evils. There’s belief from those that run the campaigns there that both constituencies in Milton Keynes will be flipped. Candidates there are running a stop Boris save the NHS campaign. Let’s hope Corbyn will give those claims a boost at the debate on Friday.
I'm assuming your success rate canvassing isn't very good.
I still get to keep my wimple though, right?
I thought the consensus was that you are an evil arse if you earn over £100k. He’s done quite well out of his union funded property investment as well - I thought that was frowned upon as well?
I know a few people talking to their advisors about their options if Corbyn becomes PM. That's a greater worry for them.
I don’t believe we will have a hard Brexit.
the reality is that you have to have a good chunk of cash to emigrate? Is the juice worth the squeeze?
I am planning to become duel located in the next couple of years. Looking at buying a property in Florida (such a chavvy dream) and live there for 3-4 months a year as an increasing amount of my work can be done remotely. Perhaps remaining would be better as it would improve the exchange rate.
I would say that if you have the possibility then seriously consider it although it will depend on where you can go.
I doubt a mass exodus will happen though
Yeah I tend to agree with you that when working class people act like Boris is somehow in their camp it does amaze me. The other one is that Boris is “enacting the will of the people”, with regards to brexit. It must be one of the great sociological coups of the modern eraI’m not experienced so wasn’t tasked with anything tough mostly supporting and stuffing leaflets. I am on leave for a few days and decided to give it a go first time ever. There’s no chance in my constituency so went to the closest marginal and Labour target from My Campaign Map.
Surprisingly the big subject was education. A lot of parents worried about their children’s schools and class sizes etc. I’m not experienced so wasn’t tasked with anything tough mostly supporting and stuffing leaflets. I am on leave for a few days and decided to give it a go first time ever. It was brutal listening to those that talked to people in the poorest areas where people are getting by but aren’t in the gutter. The biggest coup for the right is convincing the poorest they are the men of the people and the left are the elite. A mention of this elitism was Labour MPs taking their kids to private school which when countered with people like Moggs or Johnsons being privately educated for generations, gets a reply from the voter of “but they have always had money”
In the better areas long life Tory voters couldn’t stand Boris or what the party has become. A lot of them voting tactically for the local Labour candidate even though they don’t like Corbyn, they see him as lesser of two evils. There’s belief from those that run the campaigns there that both constituencies in Milton Keynes will be flipped. Candidates there are running a stop Boris save the NHS campaign. Let’s hope Corbyn will give those claims a boost at the debate on Friday.
to be fair the “will of the people” preceded Boris and even labour were using it before moving to their indecisive position.
More accurately, you are a selfish arse if you earn that much but don't want to pay fair taxes to make society more equal.
It's funny because your post just confirms the final paragraph from my previous post to you.
No doubt you'd love to live in a deregulated tax haven with no workers rights where the business owners alone decide whether workers get holiday pay, sick pay or work a 7 day week. "What have the unions ever done for us"?
Fortunately my downside is low. I have a 3 bedroom apartment in Manchester, a small set of offices here and London. Majority of my assets are in commodities/arts and a few thousand acres in Norway and Sweden. If anything brexit and the country being fecked over makes me richer...
My plan is probably the same as it's always been, eventually move to near Mallaig or Luleå , kayak and boat daily, and start a sanctuary for small and medium wildcats. Small mans dreams hah.
There was a plan at one point to get a seagoing barge, and spend 3 months a year in different places; but it's not ideal for pets and the complexity of getting a true seaworthy barge that can navigate the big European canals are well... complex.
Just got off the phone with my local Labour MP. He's been in parliament since 2009, is well liked in the community, and has a big majority over the conservatives in 2017 election. However, the constituency also voted Leave (3% win) in the referendum. I had written to him a few weeks back stating that whilst I've voted Labour since 1997, really like him and value his contributions to our constituency, I felt politically homeless because many of Corbyn's manifesto objectives were deal breakers for me. I wrote that whilst I agreed that Blair should be vilified, much of his ideology was workable and progressive and Corbyn's departure from this had effectively disowned this left centre bloc and made itself unelectable.
I was very impressed by his reply and honesty: He agreed with all I said. Essentially he said that he couldn't see how Labour would win this time, because he agreed that Corbyn's policies made it impossible to win a majority. He said Corbyn has surrounded himself within a sycophantic echo chamber, only listens to Labour MPs and think tanks that reinforce his views on the world and was now seemingly deaf to the reality on the doorstep. He said that many Labour MPs dont agree with much of Corbyn's agenda or persona and were suffering for it on the doorstep. He loved and admired Corbyn the man, but agreed his ideology cant be the basis for a winnable manifesto.
But he then stated that If I was passionately remain (he is also), he pleaded that Labour needed to win as many MPs as possible to form a 2nd referendum coalition (If Labour wanted to lead that coalition it would have to remove Corbyn) and reverse the referendum. In a post 2nd referendum election (which he thought was very likely), remaining Labour MPs would shift party back towards the centre. If Labour loses, and Corbyn is removed, he's confident the party can be reformed.
Net net he stated, that I shouldn't worry about my concerns because Labour weren't going to win, but it was important to organise so Conservatives couldn't win either! He admitted that was a pathetic situation to be in but at least 100+ Labour MPs felt similar.
At the end of the call, I agreed I'd vote for him and influence those I know to do the same because I admired him and his honesty. But if Labour somehow won this election, I'd turn up at his house with a truckload of manure. He laughed, and thanked me for my vote and the call.
Was a very interring conversation for me as it confirmed everything I've thought: that Corbyn has hijacked the Labour party in much the same way as Johnson has done in the Conservatives. And that Labour will not get re-elected until someone unifies the left and left centrist flanks.
I was very impressed by his reply and honesty: He agreed with all I said. Essentially he said that he couldn't see how Labour would win this time, because he agreed that Corbyn's policies made it impossible to win a majority. He said Corbyn has surrounded himself within a sycophantic echo chamber, only listens to Labour MPs and think tanks that reinforce his views on the world and was now seemingly deaf to the reality on the doorstep. He said that many Labour MPs dont agree with much of Corbyn's agenda or persona and were suffering for it on the doorstep. He loved and admired Corbyn the man, but agreed his ideology cant be the basis for a winnable manifesto.
But he then stated that If I was passionately remain (he is also), he pleaded that Labour needed to win as many MPs as possible to form a 2nd referendum coalition (If Labour wanted to lead that coalition it would have to remove Corbyn) and reverse the referendum. In a post 2nd referendum election (which he thought was very likely), remaining Labour MPs would shift party back towards the centre. If Labour loses, and Corbyn is removed, he's confident the party can be reformed.
Net net he stated, that I shouldn't worry about my concerns because Labour weren't going to win, but it was important to organise so Conservatives couldn't win either! He admitted that was a pathetic situation to be in but at least 100+ Labour MPs felt similar.
At the end of the call, I agreed I'd vote for him and influence those I know to do the same because I admired him and his honesty. But if Labour somehow won this election, I'd turn up at his house with a truckload of manure. He laughed, and thanked me for my vote and the call.
Was a very interring conversation for me as it confirmed everything I've thought: that Corbyn has hijacked the Labour party in much the same way as Johnson has done in the Conservatives. And that Labour will not get re-elected until someone unifies the left and left centrist flanks.
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For a first time it was like everything else in politics nowadays. Meh.
Imagine seeing a concrete wall in front of you and deciding to go head on as fast and hard as you can towards it and repeating that until you pass out. This is what it felt like with some people.
2009
Do you mean 2010?
Only one labour by election win in 2009 and the mp no longer in post
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/by-elections/by-elections/
If you look around this forum I have been hugely critical of Corbyn but it’s election time and he is the leader for better or worse. Getting the Tories out needs to be the main focus of this country if you don’t want havoc to be wreaked upon you, your children and their children. There’s no trade where getting rid of Corbyn is worth another 5 years of Tory rule with zero checks and balances from the EU and a free hand at deregulation. That should send much bigger chills down your spine than seeing Corbyn in number 10.
That doesn’t detract from the fact that’s it’s a monstrous con-job. It has also been taken up by Boris as the main slogan of his election drive, in fact pretty much the only slogan.
I must have gotten that detail incorrect. Good thing too to protect his identity, given it was a private call
you realise the post was largely in jest! There’s no sunshine in this thread - just arguments and hate!! You really are a hateful and resentful bunch!
I pay more than my fair share of taxes, as a contractor within IR35, who then pays employers NI, as well as employees NI and pay for the privilege to be employed by an umbrella company. I can assure you I pay more than enough into the pot. How we I don’t earn as much as Red Len
unions are a barrier to success in this day and age.
27 days of train strikes around here - not sure anyone can justify that at this time of year - affects hard working people (clearly not lazy, selfish arses like myself).
3% leave margin and elected in 2010.... male labour MP standing against this time with a big majority Think it wouldn't be too hard to work out... Off the top of my head I have it down to a handfulI must have gotten that detail incorrect. Good thing too to protect his identity, given it was a private call
this is probably the best post in the thread. I dont agree with everything here - but unlike most I’m not going to insult you or call you names and try to get you to forcibly reconsider your opinion.
thanks for sharing. Useful insight.
something that has had me thinking over the past few days... it’s great for you that you were able to get this time with your MP - but are those who are represented by MPs in the cabinet/ shadow cabinet neglected at a local level? Not just during an election, but throughout the MPs tenure?
(ps did you notice how I’ve kept this post neutral...?)
Is acreage in Norway/Sweden a good investment, or just you planning to retire to where you want to be?
So you're fecking off elsewhere and leaving us with a Tory Govt. that you voted for?
If I do, it’s purely based on weather. Furthermore, I’m not looking to emigrate, just to improve my lifestyle - don’t worry I’ll still be here the majority of the time and paying my taxes!!
a point of clarification. Whilst we should all vote - not all votes matter, and mine doesn’t, i live in an area that has a huge labour majority. So no matter who I vote for, it won’t have an impact on our next government.
I've only heard one Indian guy use this phrase at my bank. I understand the context he uses it in but it itches my brain everytime he does. Just googled it:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=net net
Ofcom is run by the pro-global warming remainer elite.
From landlord to logging baron!
No great escape: Tory scales bins and fence to exit climate hustings
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fence-and-bins-to-exit-climate-hustings-lewes
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fence-and-bins-to-exit-climate-hustings-lewes
Doubt it, especially as far north as I have it. It's pretty safe though.The idea of eventually building a totally self contained house out there slowly over the years is attractive. Even researched it a little. It's quite a spectacular wilderness. I've kinda fallen in love with the Highlands too though, so it's a tough choice.
Made me giggle.
Please remember this is a Manchester Utd forum. If our January signing comprises a new timber sponsorship I shall not be impressed.
You lot and your stupid Brexit, I'm off to live in my property in the Bahamas, and I'll send my Tory vote by post.
Also, a week in, it's safe to say that the Tories have not suffered even a bit for Boris not going on Andrew Neil. That is how you win. Future Labour leaders should take note.
edit- meant to tag @Honest John who called it a massive blunder, and @Dobba who scoffed at that notion that morality is for losers.
edit- meant to tag @Honest John who called it a massive blunder, and @Dobba who scoffed at that notion that morality is for losers.
You're assuming Labour are held to the same standard. Laura K would have personally knocked on every door telling everyone Corbyn which chicken if he hadn't turned up.
I'm sick of the fact that not just sititng Tory MPs but actual cabinet members can so blatantly lie and get it published by our terribly partisan press. We're at fox news standard of a press.
In better news Raab and Patels book suggesting the privatisation of the NHS is getting more coverage. And...Hugh Grant has gone all Love Actually to knock on doors in tactical voting swing seats
As I've always suspected, the I hate Brexit but not as much as poor people Tory vote will see them a majority.
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