Fluctuation0161
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Corbyn is their latest excuse.to be fair they have ruled out working with cotbyn... get rid of him and they would work with them
as they would have done in a GNU under clarke or harman or beckett
Corbyn is their latest excuse.to be fair they have ruled out working with cotbyn... get rid of him and they would work with them
as they would have done in a GNU under clarke or harman or beckett
Read my earlier posts. the 7-25% is the culmination of 30 years of both parties desperately trying to get some kind of efficiency into the thing. The reason being because at times there was almost no fiscal responsibility operating at all. It is not some cunning Tory plan. Both parties, I'm sure have done their best and both HAVE failed. Look at NHS Wales - run by Labour and no better than anywhere else. Scotland too with the SNP and I won't even start on NI.In which case, why make the initial comment you made then? You've just said that up to a quarter is run by private firms....following a comment in which you mention that people would go crazy if they started to privatise the NHS.
Its already happening and people aren't even realising. They're already having operations cancelled or being told they're no longer available on the NHS and having to go private if they can afford it. And we can blame it on lazy doctors or immigrants or whatever we want to but its happening already.
I agree that reform ideas should not be taken off the table.
So you believe we'll walk away from a US trade deal? And what's your assessment on how much that would cost?
Ha! Good question. I agree that Brexit party and Lib Dems are imploding. I also do see a small possibility for either a hung parliament or a small Tory minority. Despite the huge gap in the polls.That's fine, and expected even! I try not to simply post regurgitations of stuff already in the media or whatever which people can read with a quick browse of the net. Therefore most of what I post is at least somewhat contentious.
Which parts do you actually agree with?
Was a heavy Leave vote. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Brexit Party vote higher and definitely expect Labour vote to be lower. Filled out my postal vote yesterday and only one of the candidates (Labour) lives in the constituency.
Today I got a Brexit Party leaflet addressed to me in the post.
Got something from Labour yesterday. Nothing from Conservatives, Lib Dems or Greens yet.
I think they wanted to use the results to help narrow down marginals.Yeah the timing is really weird. Wonder why they didn't wait until the last week of the election ?
Nigerian people and British single mothers in Boris Johnson's firing line:
Johnson accused of racial stereotyping with view on Nigerians ~
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...of-racial-stereotyping-with-view-on-nigerians
Interesting
Datapraxis ran their own MRP model on the yougov data set early this week and came out with similar results
It does show though that even off the same data set the assumptions you make in modeling are pretty important.
I suspect we will see more MRP models emerge over the next week or so and it will be interesting to see if they all show similar pictures of a relatively comfortable conservative win or if with different assumptions some come in as a hung parliament
Because being paid 80k/year doesn't make you rich. Owning an asset which gives you an 80k year/income - that's what makes you rich.
Yes it does. It makes you significantly richer than most of the population, puts you in the top 5% of earners and leading a much more comfortable life than most Brits lead.
The fact that he genuinely thinks he isn't in the top 50% of earners shows what an utter tool he is.
He was wrong about that of course. But more broadly, he isn't wealthy. I just think the argument about whether you should tax people a load more on an 80k salary is pointless - they are already pretty well taxed. The real argument IMO should be about wealth taxes, or inheritance taxes or capital gains taxes - taxes on the asset piles that are the real drivers of inequality. We should be going after the rentiers, not the salary earners.
This was the point the shouty guy on question time was making, when he said the top 5% aren't even working. I'm not a massive fan of raising income taxes below the very high level (150k) as I feel it penalises the person who came from nothing, will inherit no assets but has managed to put themselves in a situation where they are earning well.
For example I know some people who are on decent jobs (Paying £30-50k) but their parents have bought them a house in London. I'd much rather tax this person than the person from nothing and yet to acquire assets but earning £80k.
The person earning 80k a year will not be paying a penny more tax. The person earning 125k will be paying about 2k more (I think, I did the math when the manifesto came out so this is a recollection), 100k earner pays about 1k more or so. I honestly don't see that as a particularly large burden for that level of remuneration given the state of public services.
I live here and don't know anyone who likes Johnson or voted for Brexit. Clearly my group of acquaintances is very unrepresentative.It truly shows how little I know about Britain and Brits and how virtually all my British friends and colleagues are not representative for a general population. Popularity ratings leave me genuinely perplexed - who on Earth finds Johnson likeable, never mind trustworthy? And yet majority of Brits seem to enjoy his style and approach. I don’t understand you at all, friends.
It truly shows how little I know about Britain and Brits and how virtually all my British friends and colleagues are not representative for a general population. Popularity ratings leave me genuinely perplexed - who on Earth finds Johnson likeable, never mind trustworthy? And yet majority of Brits seem to enjoy his style and approach. I don’t understand you at all, friends.
I think this is one of the things that probably bothers a lot of people who are on the leave spectrum. And I say this as someone who was and remains an ardent remainer.
To say that the UK cannot be successful outside of the EU is just a ridiculous statement, with all due respect. There are currently 27 countries in the EU, one of which (in fact, one of its most successful members) is the UK. There are roughly 168 countries in the world, many of whom are successful without being in the EU.
I would much rather be in the EU and remain in the EU. I personally wouldn't even care if we did end up becoming a USE. But I don't think that the UK will become unsuccessful long term, whether inside or outside of the EU, though I do think there will be short to medium term issues. It still has the 5th largest economy in the world, larger than France's and about 3% of the world total GDP.
I imagine some of them get slightly peeved at the suggestion that they will become 'unsuccessful' outside the EU.
He wasn't likeable at any point.He was quite likeable back when the only real exposure anyone had to him was just his appearances hosting tv comedy gameshows.
To be fair though most people I know have equitable levels of disgust for Boris and for Corbyn, and just derision for Swinson.
I thought written into the deal was that it could only be extended once (and I think for a period if 2 years) but that extension had to be requested some point in the summer (june?) 2020
I think the knife edge of no deal etc is here to stay for at least the next year or so
Can I ask, with regards to the standards dropping when privatised, why are the services not tendered again based on poor performance? On a very basic premise, when a supplier underperforms in the private sector, you take the business elsewhere, therefore the standard has to stay good enough, because someone else will come along and do it better. Is it that there aren’t enough providers of the necessary size and scale to give competition?I think what makes me saddest about this debate is people still talk about it in abstract terms. *If* we started selling off bits.
There is no if, it has started and has been going on for years now. From colleagues, I know the following services have been privatised in various hospitals across the country:
The catering, the cleaning, the labaratory service (ie the service that processes all of the blood tests), the ambulance service, the transport for elderly patient service, clinical addiction services, some orthopaedic services, some general surgery services, physiotherapy, parking, security, out of hours radiology reporting, diabetes retinal screening services, urgent care services in Emergency departments, community paediatrics, speech therapy, sexual health services, community dermatology, occupational therapy.
Some of them see an improvement in services. What I have seen personally and what almost all of my friends and colleagues have also said is that almost uniformally, the quality of services tends to go down significantly when they're tendered out. Because these firms are concerned about making a profit, not providing a good service. And what sometimes happens is that the NHS then has to step back in and spend more to clean up their shit.
I'm not even necessarily against insurance based healthcare like most of the world has. But it is just false to say we haven't started privatising already or that . We've also removed or made certain procedures much more difficult to get (https://www.bmihealthcare.co.uk/new...st-of-conditions-no-longer-available#gdpr-out) allowing companies like this to swoop in and clean up I'm sure...
I don't think there is any doubt that the Americans produce some of the best medications in the world and that a lot of the innovation when it comes to pharmaceuticals comes from them. We currently get access to those based on the NHS's ability to pay, it isn't like we're barred by anyone from trying to buy those meds if necessary.
No. Don't think I said that?So you believe we'll walk away from a US trade deal? And what's your assessment on how much that would cost?
A very good twitter thread on some of the important elements of the trade negotiation documents. Especially for you Project Fear lot, afraid its not in shouty capitals for you so might be a tougher read.
You stated that the 10 point swings were unrealistic, which brought the reliability of the model into doubt. I was saying that I thought the 10 point swings in favour of Labour in 2017 were unrealistic. That's the opinion part (which is why I bolded it.)It's not an opinion. It's a fact which is stated by YouGov. The caveat on the poll is "if the election was to be held tomorrow".
Can I ask, with regards to the standards dropping when privatised, why are the services not tendered again based on poor performance? On a very basic premise, when a supplier underperforms in the private sector, you take the business elsewhere, therefore the standard has to stay good enough, because someone else will come along and do it better. Is it that there aren’t enough providers of the necessary size and scale to give competition?
The only way a trade deal could be done in that time is if one side just took whatever the other side offered with no negotiation... And given how politically charged it is I think the chances of that are about zeroThey are supposed to ask for an extension by July. No-one can ever guarantee that there will be a deal - maybe they will never agree, who knows, but definitely can't see a trade deal being agreed in such a short space of time.
How factual is the bolded part? Pretty sure the NHS comes out near the top in terms of health care outcomes. For example, this ranking has NHS top: https://fr.april-international.com/.../which-countries-have-best-healthcare-systemsThat's far different to 'selling it down the river'. Pretty much all the world's best healthcare systems have some kind of mixed model or co-pay element to them. Only the NHS is totally free and the level of care is some way below those others, not because they get more money (many of them dont), but because the NHS a gigantic black hole for money. The model desperately needs updating.
The food standards question will definitely be the main negotiation point, I think the NHS stuff is a red herring.
No, its not a lot and that would probably be fair enough. I suppose it comes down to trust again, and I just don't believe that would be final word on taxation over 5 years of a Labour government, especially given the spending plans. Therefore it is the fact they are already pushing the narrative of taxing earners that I don't like, maybe in a year it would be everyone needs 2p on the pound to fix the latest NHS and social care crisis, but we'll make the top 20% pay 10p etc.
No comment on the book written by Jeremy Hunt ex Tory health secretary on privatising the NHS then? It is so obviously an ideological attack on the NHS by the Tories.Read my earlier posts. the 7-25% is the culmination of 30 years of both parties desperately trying to get some kind of efficiency into the thing. The reason being because at times there was almost no fiscal responsibility operating at all. It is not some cunning Tory plan. Both parties, I'm sure have done their best and both HAVE failed. Look at NHS Wales - run by Labour and no better than anywhere else. Scotland too with the SNP and I won't even start on NI.
The vast majority of it is still state run. However, everyone agrees that it is not what it should be. Everyone has his/her own idea why. The truth is that is it is composite of many things. So just citing under-funding by 'mean Tories' as the cause implies that if you borrow 100 billion quid and chuck it at it then that'll fix it. It won't, and we have to stop the blame culture, grow up and talk about it sensibly and objectively.
I've had nothing through my door, just got given a LibDem flyer for Nicola Horlick outside Sloane Square tube.Had BP, Labour & Tory all through the post today as well as a leaflet on tactical voting from the peoples vote lot telling me to vote Labour if I want a chance to stay in the EU.
Nice Doggo.
How factual is the bolded part? Pretty sure the NHS comes out near the top in terms of health care outcomes. For example, this ranking has NHS top: https://fr.april-international.com/.../which-countries-have-best-healthcare-systems
You aren’t going to raise much money from the very few people who earn that. What’s the point? Half of all taxes are paid by the top 20% of salary earners as it is. There comes a point when you have to widen the tax base if you want to fund more things, not continually narrow it. You need to go after assets not paycheques. (Also £100k earners will increase their pension contributions slightly to take their taxable pay under the limit - you won’t get anything extra from them).The person earning 80k a year will not be paying a penny more tax. The person earning 125k will be paying about 2k more (I think, I did the math when the manifesto came out so this is a recollection), 100k earner pays about 1k more or so. I honestly don't see that as a particularly large burden for that level of remuneration given the state of public services.
You aren’t going to raise much money from the very few people who earn that. What’s the point? Half of all taxes are paid by the top 20% of salary earners as it is. There come a point when when have to widen the tax base not continually narrow it. You need to go after assets not paycheques.
All of the other countries are not an island off the coast of their biggest partners. Nor are all the other countries not in an economic partnership with a group of other countries. Nor are their economies reliant on the smooth uninterrupted flow of goods and people and services and documentation and judicial or criminal or defence co-operation. Brexit is the most idiotic thing the UK could have done.
Eventually people will understand why but much too late.
Which is Tory speak for 'feck no'. Do the Beeb have archived footage of him being interviewed where he we can listen to him talk about the best way to eat scones off Muslim women so we can all laugh hysterically with cries of 'oh Boris!', cue the polls the next day showing a 200 seat majority for the Tories.Boris has refused to confirm whether or not he'll do the Neil interview.
It doesn't matter either way. Unless he comes out and says that he was the one who shot JFK it doesn't matter how badly he gets hit in the interview because the main headline on the Beeb and in the rags will be "man buys sandwich" or some other mundane as feck story that will suddenly rise to the top of the important news for the day, and the report into Boris will be sanitised.