Latest trick from the Lib Dems: Party literature disguised as a bona fide newspaper.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Gotta love the Brexiteers - leave EU for more 'sovereignty', complain when judicial sovereignty is enacted within our shores.
I'm just glad our judges aren't appointed by our executive.
It's pretty crazy how much more criticism Labour get, obviously it's not unfounded but watching QT the other night and it Corbyn is getting grilled about antisemitism and absolutely nothing is said to Johnson about some of the racist stuff he has said, without even getting into his party.
Then Corbyn is criticised for pretty much saying he's happy the EHRC are able to do their job, meanwhile the Tories seem to be obstructing an investigation and nothing is said.
Latest trick from the Lib Dems: Party literature disguised as a bona fide newspaper.
Is that real? That sort of stuff should really be illegal.
Jeez, that is quite literally fake news.Latest trick from the Lib Dems: Party literature disguised as a bona fide newspaper.
This is what makes it clear to me the Tories aren't the remotest bit interested or concerned by anti-semitism itself, but rather see it as a convenient muddy stick to beat Corbyn with. If they were genuinely appalled by the notion of anti-semitism or any form of bigotry, they'd start by actually taking the serious allegations within their own party seriously.
The headline Joe Swinson: The Prime Minister Britain Deserves is not necessarily a ringing endorsement.
Apparently it turns into the Conservative manifesto by Page 13.
It doesn't tend to work like that. Have you not heard the saying?
"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain".
Life changes you, Having children is another thing that tends to move you to the right.....
That figures, seeing as the brain begns to deteriorate around that age...
Good grief.
'I set trends dem man copy': Michael Gove mocks Stormzy Labour support
Michael Gove has mocked Stormzy for expressing his support for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn in the forthcoming election. Gove told Talk Radio: “I think we again know that Stormzy, when he took to the stage at Glastonbury wearing a stab vest, he made clear what his political views were then.”
During his headline set at the 2019 festival, Stormzy wore a stab vest painted with a monochrome Union Jack. The garment was customised by Banksy and hailed as “a perfect image of our moment” by the Guardian’s art critic, Jonathan Jones. “Stormzy’s tense and provocative stage-garb exploited the flag’s visual strength in a new way. Amid all the stage razzmatazz, he wore the banner of a divided and frightened nation.”
Gove added: “He is a far, far better rapper than he is a political analyst.”
Labour’s Angela Rayner tweeted: “And Michael Gove is crap at both”, adding a winking emoji. Gove responded: “I set trends dem man copy.”
In a long note posted to Twitter on Monday, Stormzy urged fans to register to vote and said that he would be voting for Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.
“In my 26 years of life I have never trusted politicians or relied on them to be the bearers of hope and righteous people that we’ve needed them to be,” he wrote. “And for me, he is the first man in a position of power who is committed to giving the power back to the people and helping those who need a helping hand from the government the most.”
Stormzy criticised Boris Johnson’s “long record of lying and policies that have absolutely no regard for the people that our government should be committed to helping and empowering”.
He continued: “I also believe it is criminally dangerous to give the most powerful role in the country to a man who has said that the sight of a ‘bunch of black kids’ makes him ‘turn a hair’, compared women in burqas to letterboxes and referred to black people as ‘piccaninnies’ with ‘watermelon smiles’. I think it’s extremely dangerous to have a man with those views as the sole leader of our country.”
(Guardian)
'I set trends dem man copy': Michael Gove mocks Stormzy Labour support
Michael Gove has mocked Stormzy for expressing his support for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn in the forthcoming election. Gove told Talk Radio: “I think we again know that Stormzy, when he took to the stage at Glastonbury wearing a stab vest, he made clear what his political views were then.”
During his headline set at the 2019 festival, Stormzy wore a stab vest painted with a monochrome Union Jack. The garment was customised by Banksy and hailed as “a perfect image of our moment” by the Guardian’s art critic, Jonathan Jones. “Stormzy’s tense and provocative stage-garb exploited the flag’s visual strength in a new way. Amid all the stage razzmatazz, he wore the banner of a divided and frightened nation.”
Gove added: “He is a far, far better rapper than he is a political analyst.”
Labour’s Angela Rayner tweeted: “And Michael Gove is crap at both”, adding a winking emoji. Gove responded: “I set trends dem man copy.”
In a long note posted to Twitter on Monday, Stormzy urged fans to register to vote and said that he would be voting for Jeremy Corbyn and Labour.
“In my 26 years of life I have never trusted politicians or relied on them to be the bearers of hope and righteous people that we’ve needed them to be,” he wrote. “And for me, he is the first man in a position of power who is committed to giving the power back to the people and helping those who need a helping hand from the government the most.”
Stormzy criticised Boris Johnson’s “long record of lying and policies that have absolutely no regard for the people that our government should be committed to helping and empowering”.
He continued: “I also believe it is criminally dangerous to give the most powerful role in the country to a man who has said that the sight of a ‘bunch of black kids’ makes him ‘turn a hair’, compared women in burqas to letterboxes and referred to black people as ‘piccaninnies’ with ‘watermelon smiles’. I think it’s extremely dangerous to have a man with those views as the sole leader of our country.”
(Guardian)
So's Gove to be fair.
Simply getting older doesn't make someone conservative. The reason people tend to get more conservative the older they get is because they require more wealth - property for example but the millennial generation(And younger generations) will be first generation that won't be better off than their parents.
Yeah having kids in particular changes your outlook a lot. Suddenly the impact of what you would lose if things go wrong magnifies 100 fold.
This is a key point. The current and future younger generations won’t enjoy the economic prosperity the generations before them took for granted. It’s easy to dignify that tired trope when you’re living in a million pound house you bought in the 80s for 90k with a teachers salary and your healthy pension locked down.
Social norms change as well - what was considered liberal in the 60s may end up being conservative now. Someone who was for civil partnerships but against gay marriage in the 60s would've probably been quite liberal compared to their parents; someone with that position now would rightfully be seen as conservative. There's a hint of truth in the fact that a lot of people become more conservative as they age but a lot of people mistake that as being a linear approach wherein someone completely abandons all left-wing ideals they had for a set of right-wing views. And even if young people now do become more conservative, the extent to which a lot of them in the UK aren't conservative at the moment is surely a worry for the Tories, who just aren't offering them anything attractive policy-wise.
The age people become conservatives is moving older.
Pretty obvious why when you look at how are economy is now structured. Check the demographic breakdown from 2017, Labour win all age groups under 49...
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
I don’t have kids so perhaps the sentiment is lost on me, but I’d still counter by suggesting having kids would only make you apprehensive towards Tory economic policy, especially if you’re already struggling to get by. I don’t see how you wouldn’t be concerned by austerity, lack of child support subsidies or a lack of investment into state education. If you’re among those lucky few who’ve managed to accrue a fair bit of wealth then fair enough, but then you’d hardly be the norm.
It's a matter of mindset, not just material concerns. Most people lead unfulfilled lives and so have less tolerance/patience for many things as they get older; this translates to a propensity for self-concern over the good of the community locally and at large.
Basically, most people are unhappy, and this affects us all.
Basically, most people are unhappy, and this affects us all.
if those seat estimates are true, then there is no real battle here or anything. What are/were the remainers thinking?!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...ted_Kingdom_general_election#Seat_predictions
Tories expected share of seats in last 5 estimates (in ascending order): 298, 349, 359, 361, 376-379
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...ted_Kingdom_general_election#Seat_predictions
Tories expected share of seats in last 5 estimates (in ascending order): 298, 349, 359, 361, 376-379
Firstly imo, none of the parties can claim to be delivering "Brexit" as it were, except the Brexit party who probably won't even get a seat.
Secondly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...dom_general_election#UK-wide_seat_projections
Some of the polls have such a high difference between polls done during the same time frame that it's hard to know which are accurate though.
The first figure (298) is the current position.
Labour's policy of pretending Brexit isn't important and spending gazillions just by taxing the rich...
You have the UK's parliamentary electoral system to thank for that - unfortunately the number of votes a party receives doesn't proportionally translate to the number of seats they get. It also doesn't help that the remain vote is split between Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Greens etc, whereas the Brexiteers have pretty much all rallied around the tories. Remainers can offset this somewhat if they commit to tactical voting, but then you still have Lib Dem voters who refuse to vote for a Corbyn government, or Labour voters who refuse to trust the Lib Dems, and thats not even factoring in the Scottish nationalists.
Indeed, for all the stereotyping of Labour voters as young people who just want free stuff, the stats show that for the most part people in the working population are now opting for Labour or at least for anti-Tory parties now for the most part. Indeed, the people keeping the Tories afloat insofar as government is concerned are older voters no longer in the workforce.
I don’t think that the current Tory party is the only expression of conservatism, just as the current Labour Party isn’t the only flavour of social democracy. Plenty of Tories right now are as torn over Bozo as I am over Corbyn.
From my own point of view it’s not about not wanting change. Rather it’s that there’s a certain reckless abandon (so it seems to me) to Labour right now, as though there’s nothing to lose so we may and roll the dice and see what happens because things couldn’t get worse. I already worry about what would happen if me or my wife lose our job, or interest rates increase and we can’t afford the mortgage or whatever. Perceived recklessness in Government just exacerbates that worry because those things are so directly affected by Government decisions.
We've had our postal votes today out here in Italy, in good time. Any other overseas voters had theirs?
Can someone help me out here as I'm not that invested in politics?
Where do poll results come from? Do they only conduct polls in so-called "swing" states?
The reason I ask is I've never seen nor heard of anyone participating in them which suggests they're not accurate.
Where do poll results come from? Do they only conduct polls in so-called "swing" states?
The reason I ask is I've never seen nor heard of anyone participating in them which suggests they're not accurate.
This is a great overview. Also explains why you probably won’t have come across many people who’ve done them, and why that doesn’t matter.
http://www.britishpollingcouncil.org/opinion-polls-guidance-for-journalists/
Thanks, will have a read.
This is one of the reasons I feel that Brexit will (with hindsight) become recognised as a watershed in UK politics.
Because following on from Brexit the value of continuing with an unwritten constitution is likely to be challenge; when it becomes the norm when a weak opposition is operating, for the best way to oppose the government of the day will be for pressure groups to resort the to courts. When Speakers change the accepted rules (Erskine & May); when political driven proroguing of Parliament, etc. are all issues needing to be covered by a written constitution for the future. Whatever Sovereignty may be returned to the UK Parliament as a result of Brexit will be lost in a unstable political environment.
It's not the negotiation of a Trade Agreement with the EU that will take up and create momentum after we leave because such things can be done as fast or as slowly as both sides want; it will be the political turmoil left over in the UK, including the possible break up of the Union, that will cast the shadow. If one party, whichever, is returned with a large majority, then they may be able to steady the ship and enforce a way forward; however a divided parliament will do for us all, because the system currently is set up for winner to take all and as we've seen with the opposition fragmented and unable to agree, political inertia follows.
How often are you back in the UK?
If scotland leaves then with the existing constituencies i think it would take a massive blair like swing to see anybody but the conservatives in power for the forseable
except for blair and just after WW2 would the conservatives have won every election since WW2 without scottish MP's included? - im not sure but i wouldnt be surprised
Isn't Gove using lyrics from Stormzy's song 'Shut Up'?
Yes exactly, with a UK made up of truly independent countries, England, Scotland and Wales having their own independent Parliaments and still being referred to as GB and with NI in a Confederation of Irish States with the Republic, and with some affiliation to the (new) UK then you could say there is likely to be a Tory Government elected in England in perpetuity. Labour is too far left now to reconstitute a Blairite second coming.
Never, as from last July (well, occasionally to visit family, but we don't have anywhere to live there now). We've moved here permanently. I believe we can vote for 15 years.
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