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UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Feck off.
Doubt it personally the BBC article does not even reference the EHRC and it's largely a stick to beat Labour with sp the Conservatives can feel superior. The Tories get an easier ride from the media and most of their racism is swept under the carpet or ignored.
Why? Because someone else claimed 2030? How do you know it can be achieved in 10 years?
Considering the rate at which climate change is advancing it's quite clearly not good enough for a government to be vaguely promising to go net zero by 2050 without any concrete plans for how they're actually going to do so. Whether it can achieved or not is largely besides the point - we need to be doing all we can to try and tackle climate change and it's fairly evident the Tories don't see it as a key priority.
The diesel tax was about air quality due to all our breaches of the legal limits, it wasn't about Co2. Even then the actual panels that suggested these measures wanted far greater measures and it was pulled back.
I think you severely underestimate the changes needed right now if you think that counts. It's irresponsible for any party not to have concrete plans or investment in place but especially one in government.
As i said it's dubious what Boris even believes but the Tories have actual deniers as candidates and then you know we'll butter up to Trump.
While it is valid that Labour aren't guilt-free of antisemitism within their party.
You need to put context into all forms of racism as well - for example Islamophobia just isn't given the equal treatment it should do as antisemitism.
The Muslim Council of Britain have asked the EHRC to investigate the Conservatives since 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49763550
The EHRC actually gave the Tories 1 month to respond to complaints of Islamophobia in May https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...aints-ehrc-watchdog-theresa-may-a8918576.html
BJ promised to investigate Islamophobia when he was elected PM, he has since delayed the investigation.
Dozens of Conservative MP's have posted Islamophobic content online.
The list goes on & on - and that's before we get into, 'n****r in a woodpile', 'letterboxes' and windrush.
And yet - nothing has happened, why? Because Islamophobia isn't treated in the same way antisemitism is.
So yes, Labour are the only party that is under a formal EHRC investigation. However, Labour are far from the only institutionally racist political party (they all are), and discrimination against Jewish people is given priority over other forms of discrimination - in my opinion.
Great post!
There has been action and results. https://www.conservatives.com/sharethefacts/2019/06/net-zero-pledge You can argue about the speed but I would suggest that the pace proposed by other parties, especially the Greens is unrealistic and costly. £100bn!
In years gone by it was always the received wisdom that it was the 'swing voters', in particular those in marginal constituencies, who determined the outcome of a GE.
I was never quite sure what a swing voter actually was, except perhaps those who could not make up their minds and maybe stuck their 'x' in the box for whichever candidate produced one particular thought/promise/ statement/did well on telly/ etc that they agreed with, usually at the last minute!
Surely those with a committed view of politics would not be swayed on one issue alone?
If the above is true then how will this 'swing voter' idea play out in this GE? Are we now talking of mass tactical voting perhaps shored up by social media, or are we talking about e.g. those people who voted in the Referendum, who reputedly had never voted before, being p***ed off enough to return and vote presumably since these were mostly thought to be 'leavers', for Boris's (Geronwithit/Get Brexit done) appeal. Alternatively will people who always vote Green/Plaid/etc. desert their normal voting intentions in order to 'stop Brexit', and vote Lib-dem because they know otherwise their votes are lost in the current tide of emotions.
It hardly feasible nowadays that committed Labour voters, in Jeremy's new (old style) Labour movement will swing towards anything other than Labour, regardless of what Jeremy himself says or does! Some anti Jeremy (previously) Labour stalwarts might be tempted to go somewhere else, but where, Brexit perhaps in the North, Lib-dems in the South?
Is there in fact in this GE any room, or any point, to 'swing voters', (as defined above) when its seems it will be tactical voting what might actually count?
I was never quite sure what a swing voter actually was, except perhaps those who could not make up their minds and maybe stuck their 'x' in the box for whichever candidate produced one particular thought/promise/ statement/did well on telly/ etc that they agreed with, usually at the last minute!
Surely those with a committed view of politics would not be swayed on one issue alone?
If the above is true then how will this 'swing voter' idea play out in this GE? Are we now talking of mass tactical voting perhaps shored up by social media, or are we talking about e.g. those people who voted in the Referendum, who reputedly had never voted before, being p***ed off enough to return and vote presumably since these were mostly thought to be 'leavers', for Boris's (Geronwithit/Get Brexit done) appeal. Alternatively will people who always vote Green/Plaid/etc. desert their normal voting intentions in order to 'stop Brexit', and vote Lib-dem because they know otherwise their votes are lost in the current tide of emotions.
It hardly feasible nowadays that committed Labour voters, in Jeremy's new (old style) Labour movement will swing towards anything other than Labour, regardless of what Jeremy himself says or does! Some anti Jeremy (previously) Labour stalwarts might be tempted to go somewhere else, but where, Brexit perhaps in the North, Lib-dems in the South?
Is there in fact in this GE any room, or any point, to 'swing voters', (as defined above) when its seems it will be tactical voting what might actually count?
The provenance between the 2 stories.
A reminder that the SNP are indeed very shite
The full interview is on the BBC iplayer.
The full interview is on the BBC iplayer.
wow you just dismiss the EHRC having a formal investigation (only other political paty to reach that evidence bar being the BNP) as a stick to beat labour with ... No wonder the chief rabbi feels the need to speak out
Sun, as of yet the BBC doesn't even have an article out on the Muslim Council of Britain statement. The only place they are mentioned is at the very end of the Chief Rabbi's article. This is what it says:
BBC said:
Would you consider that adequate, unbiased reporting of what the Muslim Council's statement actually said, with the difference simply being the existence of an EHRC investigation?
To refresh your memory, here's the Council's statement:
Yeah until the findings come out, there's not much to say particularly as the Conservatives refuse to comply with the EHRC's request themselves.
I wonder how long it'll take the EHRC to investigate the Tories, if they do it at all
The political system is a hundred years out of date, the two major parties are at least fifty years out of date. You have poor people voting for Tories, young people voting for the oldest out of date Boomer of all. People voting for parties they don't really support for tactical reasons and swing voters who do decide the results of the election being treated as having no values. What a mess.
Infinitely better than all the mindless shite you increase your count with on here.
So wait the EHRC aren't even responding to the MCB? I've noted that the board of commisioners doesn't have a Muslim person on it which might be a factor.
Literally the first time I have agreed with you in this thread.
Not quite, the EHRC called on the Conservatives to respond to complaints within 1 month (back in May - so it's been almost 6 months now) presumably when Boris Johnson promised to investigate internally that was seen as a 'response', since that investigation has been stalled - the MCB are calling for the EHRC to investigate independently because the Tories clearly don't prioritise it.
Considering the dire straits we’re in on account of our apathy towards tackling or attempting to reverse the deadly implications of climate change, the drastic pace or investment suggested is not only realistic, but also imperative.
Also there’s very little to suggest the Tories have taken steps to seriously address the climate issue, more so when you consider that while in power they have:
- Continued to issue new licenses for oil drilling
- Pushed for a third runway at Heathrow
- Drastically scaled back onshore wind farm subsidies
- Removed household incentives for solar installations
- Frozen fuel duty leading to a 3% increase in emissions
- Scrapped plans to implement the zero carbon homes standard
- Scrapped plans for tax breaks for purchase of electric vehicles
Hardly credentials I’d associate with taking the issues surrounding climate change seriously.
He's got Corbyn tonight. Not sure when BJ's on.
Yeah I think the Corbyn airs at 7:00pm but it will be on the iplayer later.
Neil might be a Thatcherite cnut but he is clearly one of the best political interviewers around.
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Oh, he'll give the whole lot of them a kicking. Will be good viewing.
Never heard this story before.
Absolutely awful for the family.
Looks like a lot of young people registering to vote which is good.
Fairly certain polls going to be wrong again for this election.
How we fare in comparison to others isn't an objective benchmark of how much we should be doing, we still score poorly in regards to carbon emissions. A lot of the factors in that article owe largely to initiatives carried out by international energy companies in spite of the government's efforts to cut back on renewable subsidies and other green initiatives. The fact of the matter is the government's track record in the last decade has suggested they don't consider climate initiatives a priority and have opted to curb the much needed initiatives, often resorting to quietly cancelling the very same plans they've initially proposed as a means of lip service.
Its akin to suggesting that the record levels of child poverty in this country "aint that bad" if we compare ourselves to other countries across the globe, ignoring the fact we're doing little to nothing to reverse or halt the trend or are even exacerbating the issue altogether.
Quick reminder that today is the last day to register to vote...if you're registered, check with your family/friends/work colleagues to see if they are.
Totally reject the highlighted bit.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/all-the-worlds-carbon-emissions-in-one-chart/
Isn't this because we don't have the natural resources that other countries do and we import a lot of energy or am I missing something?
In this case I imagine it is demographic weightings. So they add more emphasis from the contribution from the poll of groups that are more likely to turn out in higher numbers e.g. Boomers and less from groups with low turnouts like Students.
The electoral reform saying since the election was called 2.8 million have registered to vote and 2/3 of them are under 35 (1.86mil).
The trouble with that infographic is it doesn't take into account factors such as population GDP, industrialisation, and the fact its merely a snapshot of carbon emissions, not an indication about legislation or trends. You take those factors into consideration and you learn of the disconcerting realisation that the UK is now the G7's biggest net importer of CO2 emissions per capitaTotally reject the highlighted bit.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/all-the-worlds-carbon-emissions-in-one-chart/
Besides, we were debating government efforts and legislative initiatives to tackle the crisis - something the Tories have evidently been lacklustre with when taking into account their tangible (in)actions instead of their public sentiments. And assuming you're someone who is a) genuinely concerned about the impending catastrophic climate implications and b) agree with the overwhelming scientific and empirical consensus that action needs to be taken drastically and immediately, then I cannot see how you'd conclude that the Tories have done enough or are planning to do enough to assuage these concerns.
Indeed and look at the voting demographics from 2017:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election
This is quite a strange election in a lot of ways and i'll be surprised if the polls are accurate.
Can see the live registration stats here:
https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote
14k people online at the moment.
Are these stats the most impressive part of our actual government
People in the UK under 40 odd have been done over pretty bad, compared to earlier generations after WW2. When you think about it...., university was free before 1997 and house prices to earnings ratio was less than half now. Not sure how anyone can expect younger voters to just accept that?
Something fundamentally broken with our economic system since the 90s imo.
Predictably Trumpian:
Boris Johnson ‘to curb legal challenges over Brexit’ in extraordinary attack on the courts
Boris Johnson ‘to curb legal challenges over Brexit’ in extraordinary attack on the courts
The Independent said:
That's one way of looking at it, you could also make the case that the gap between consumption and production suggests the UK isn't doing enough with renewable incentives to lessen emissions consumption.
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