I hope Everton sign him even if he does perform well there. Probably a good career move for him also.
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I'd rather sell Fellaini. Cleverley can be a good squad player here under the right manager, and central midfield isn't an area we can afford to lose many players from.
I am no great fan of Cleverley, but Fellaini (awful), Anderson (abysmal), Giggs (should retire), and Fletcher (a shadow of the player he once was) should all exit before we consider selling him.
He was worth having in the squad under Ferguson at least.
I think there are definitely coaches who could've got more out of his potential than Fergie though to be honest. He was a very quick thinking, intelligent, one touch player who was good under pressure when he broke through, he declined if anything.
We have enough quantity, but not nearly enough quality and we might look at making two central midfield additions as it is.
If you look at john's list above, not one of them can be said to have a stable future here. I don't think we have any need of getting rid of Cleverley right now, so unless the bid was too good to turn down we should be looking to keep from my view. Bring quality in, agreed, but see how he goes under the new guy. Look at Henderson, it's not impossible he'll end up handy.
If we get two CMs in I wouldn't worry so much about him leaving. Like you say though, van Gaal could possibly get the best out of him, and he could in fact be our Henderson (I can't believe I just used Henderson as an example, such is the reversal of fortune), but the kid has turned things around at Pool and is now considered a key player.
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100k a week for a 18 year old. My god
@Raulduke beat me to it.
I'd love to sign this kid, looks a great talent and will properly be our left bacl for the next 10 years and more.
I'd love to sign this kid, looks a great talent and will properly be our left bacl for the next 10 years and more.
Well if we want to compete with teams in the CL, it's what we have to do I guess.
I can understand that a journalist might get the nod from a club source/Woodward that we're confident of signing a certain player but find it hard to believe that such a nod would go into such detail as the players wages or term of contract.
The best part of the article is the notion some of our player's will now remain because Moyes is gone. 
It's a hell of a lot for someone 18 but would be an investment for the next 10 years and beyond. Real bought Ramos for about £27m when he was 19. Some players are just that good at that age. Rooney was £27m. I think it's just because Shaw is a LB that people see it as extortionate.
If we are in direct competition with Chelsea to sign the lad, it's worth it.
Quite happy to pay the sort of money being asked simply because of his age, no one really quibbles Rooney or Ferdinand's fees as they were seen as long term investments, same with this lad, if you get him at a good level for 12/13 years then the fee is a snip.
Its not the fee people are worried about, honestly it feels like 30m is the new 15m but well have to pay that sort of price having missed out on europe. Its the wages we will have to go mental over, I want to make a brave prediction: This coming transfer window will be the most crazy/ high priced and it will mostly be down to us. I think the fact we arent in europe wont bother us so much as it will other players and we will offer absolutely crazy wages/fees other clubs wont be able to match, even Chelsea, Man City (who could in theory match them but will be screwed by FFP). Once again we will be "buying the way to the top" and "skewing the market"
I also think it will be down to the manager we get in, if say we got Van Gaal, i seriously doubt any of this would happen and we would most likely see some odd transfers that effect the squad rather than individuals. If we get Ancelotti, I think well go crazy as I previously mentioned as he tends to just go with big signings.
I'd be happiest that we're getting things done. Not waiting around wasting time.
That's crazy money, even in this age. I'd be fine with 25-30mil if the wages were normal, but 100k a week for a 18/19 year old? Just madness. My worry would be what happens in a few years when he wants a new contract? Would be a very good signing ignoring the financial aspect and an ideal long term replacement, but we should try to lower to price or wages at least.
Is it just Jamie Jackson running the story at the moment or have more journalists latched on to this?
The thing is he will be hard pressed to find a club willing to pay him a substantial increment on 100k and a lot depends on how successful we would be as a club but I do acknowledge that it's a steep fee and wage to pay for a teenage leftback, we can certainly do better on the continent . We do have other needs in the side and it's not wise to spend this much on him .
Can we not sign any players for less than 30m anymore?
Still prefer a reasonably priced Coentrao.
Still prefer a reasonably priced Coentrao.
Why are we doing deals without a manager? Shouldn't a manager have the final say on whether he wants the player
Manager-less Chelsea and City have signed player's in the past. van Gaal has previously worked with a director of football signing player's for him too.
We haven't confirmed van gaal though. And I just don't like the idea of a dof. It's stupid and the manager should always be the one who decides which players he wants.
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Most top managers live an itinerant life these days. Unlike Moyes they do not expect to go into a job and get to choose all the players that they would ideally want. A guy like Van Gaal will come in and prevail with any reasonable tools available. Shaw is a reasonable tool.
Most top managers live an itinerant life these days. Unlike Moyes they do not expect to go into a job and get to choose all the players that they would ideally want. A guy like Van Gaal will come in and prevail with any reasonable tools available. Shaw is a reasonable tool.
We need a left-back, Shaw happens to be the best young left-back in Europe, I don't see the issue.
I'd be amazed if LVG or any manager for that matter had a problem with having one of if not the best young left back in the world in he's team.
In fairness, he probably thinks he could turn Buttner into a dutch Roberto Carlos.
Considering we nearly spent £20m on a near 30 year old Baines in the summer, I don't see how this is that big a deal.
That would be something wouldn't it, I'm not Buttner's biggest fan but if he went in to next season with Shaw as first choice and Buttner second I wouldn't be to upset.
30m is nothing when you consider he's almost certainly going to be a top left back for the next 15 years.
We will have to say that for each player we sign during the summer. You need to bridge the gap of not offering champions league football with money.
Pipe dream, especially as ballbag is usually full of hot air! Would be amazing though
Last thing we need is another midget.
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