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People like Neville and Scholes are the ones who United need, people who criticise United, that makes the club better, not sticking up feathers in eachothers arseholes.

I don't mind Scholes since he says the right thing without being an extreme radical so far. However, it's Neville who is a problem because we know what his comments are all about and because of how he sticks that hard to old tactical concepts.
 

I've gotten really angry after reading that. We are so fecking incompetent it's incredible.

This part particularly put things into perspective:

"it simply remains remarkable that a badly needed overhaul that had been planned since January comes down to the frantic final fortnight."
 
Jan Hagen who wrote that is a Liverpool fan. When he was linked to Liverpool a month back he made a piece on him and raved about him. Now that it look likely that he has signed for us and he has turned to shit.

I actually have watched Sporting some and I think he will be a fans favorite, he is strong, fast and tough as hell. He gives his all in duels. He is a bit like Heinze in the matter of effort and energy and that can sometimes cause him to rush into attackers that are facing away from goal instead of taking out depth for runs around him.

When it comes to technical ability, I can't think of anyone better.

I'm actually happy about this signing.

This boy will add considerable steel to the back. I am unsure that his technical ability is quite what you say, but he is worth the money and will improve us. No question.
 
Van Gaal said he wanted new players,even back in the US and that this team isn't good enough to compete for the title. Even without those reports, it's just logical thinking that a man that hated the US tour because he wanted a proper pre season, would've loved it to have more time with a few of his own players?

Anything other than Woodward completely fecking this window up is hard to explain, logically.
I'm not happy about the transfer situation! I'm just not sure we should be so focused on Di Maria, he may not be priority on Uniteds list. I hope there's more signings, more so than I did before Saturdays game, just to lift things a bit.
 


At least, as we knew he wouldn't, van Gaal isn't taking this lying down. The extra pressure on Woodward will hopefully leave him with no alternative but to sort himself out in these final two weeks.

If he doesn't and results don't come, it'll turn ugly and it won't be the manager or players taking the flak.
 
I'm not happy about the transfer situation! I'm just not sure we should be so focused on Di Maria, he may not be priority on Uniteds list. I hope there's more signings, more so than I did before Saturdays game, just to lift things a bit.

Problem is that you don't have any kind of alternative. Cuadrado is a few classes below Di Maria and would cost the world. It's the problem right now that finding very good wide players is nearly impossible. I, personally, would just ask how much for Jese Rodriguez from RM and then pay it, guy is going to be the next big thing.

But really I struggle I find to find a good alternative to Di Maria. As a DM, even Nigel de Jong would be okish as a short time thing.
 
That makes awful reading. To the laughing stock we go.
it confirms the general impression that we lack a proper strategy. Last year everyone blamed moyes indicisiveness for the club overpaying Everton for fellaini and the fabregas and Herrera comedies.
one year after, moyes s gone but the same problems resurface....this time woody cannot hide behind the managers indicisiveness anymore.
 
Crucial two weeks for the clubs future... I'm sure we'll sign someone cause the last thing the glazers need is another glazer out campaign
 

The only conclusion to be drawn from this is that we are absolutely shite at selling players because we surely haven't outspent all of those teams outright, the difference is we have made next to nothing in sales.
 
Crucial two weeks for the clubs future... I'm sure we'll sign someone cause the last thing the glazers need is another glazer out campaign

Even if we get rid of them we'll still end up paying their wages.
 
The only conclusion to be drawn from this is that we are absolutely shite at selling players because we surely haven't outspent all of those teams outright, the difference is we have made next to nothing in sales.
In a nut shell. Chelsea can get £50m for Side show FFS.
 
http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchest...frustration-after-the-clubs-defeat-to-swansea

Andy Mitten's opinion piece.

Interesting quote -

The team may have its reasons. Shifting unwanted players is proving difficult, and Van Gaal can be as obstinate as Sir Alex Ferguson in the transfer market. He would rather promote youth than get into a bidding war for a player. He deplores a mercenary mentality in footballers, but United need quality, experienced players and they are not going to arrive because they want to live by the Manchester Ship Canal.
 
http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchest...frustration-after-the-clubs-defeat-to-swansea

Andy Mitten's opinion piece.

Interesting quote -

The team may have its reasons. Shifting unwanted players is proving difficult, and Van Gaal can be as obstinate as Sir Alex Ferguson in the transfer market. He would rather promote youth than get into a bidding war for a player. He deplores a mercenary mentality in footballers, but United need quality, experienced players and they are not going to arrive because they want to live by the Manchester Ship Canal.

Dunno about that, I like the ship canal..
 
Problem is that you don't have any kind of alternative. Cuadrado is a few classes below Di Maria and would cost the world. It's the problem right now that finding very good wide players is nearly impossible. I, personally, would just ask how much for Jese Rodriguez from RM and then pay it, guy is going to be the next big thing.

But really I struggle I find to find a good alternative to Di Maria. As a DM, even Nigel de Jong would be okish as a short time thing.

As nice as it'd be to have a good winger and some pace in attack it doesn't do much for our defence and
midfield which will be the difference between a title challenge or struggling for top 4 imo.

Still, sooner or later were going to have to start getting some wingers in. Dont want to be too negative about getting a winger as good as di maria.
 
The only conclusion to be drawn from this is that we are absolutely shite at selling players because we surely haven't outspent all of those teams outright, the difference is we have made next to nothing in sales.

PSG basically didn't sell anyone, and these numbers don't include this summer, where we outspent them.
 
One thing from Delaney's piece that I thought was striking: months ago there was talk of a £200m war chest and everyone laughed. He says that if we get the players we want (Vidal, Di Maria, Blind and Rojo) it would cost around £130m, to go with the £60m odd we spent on Herrera and Shaw. Let's be honest, in terms of here-and-now talent that will deliver titles, other than Vidal and Di Maria it doesn't exactly look like the most stellar of outlays, considering plenty of top players have gone for very manageable prices this summer. I'm not advocating not investing in young players, or suggesting we should be like PSG with daft big money signings, but by the looks of things £200m isn't a guarantee of very much.
 
As nice as it'd be to have a good winger and some pace in attack it doesn't do much for our defence and
midfield which will be the difference between a title challenge or struggling for top 4 imo.

Still, sooner or later were going to have to start getting some wingers in. Dont want to be too negative about getting a winger as good as di maria.

A world class DM and that defence looks totally different. Look at the goals, both times you'd expect the DM to be anywhere near that exact player. We need some pace badly. That's why Mata is struggling, nobody is open, or making those good runs. Rooney, RvP, Mata and Januzaj could be amazing, all they need is another pacey winger to unlock things, like Schürrle did for Chelsea today.
 
http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchest...frustration-after-the-clubs-defeat-to-swansea

Andy Mitten's opinion piece.

Interesting quote -

The team may have its reasons. Shifting unwanted players is proving difficult, and Van Gaal can be as obstinate as Sir Alex Ferguson in the transfer market. He would rather promote youth than get into a bidding war for a player. He deplores a mercenary mentality in footballers, but United need quality, experienced players and they are not going to arrive because they want to live by the Manchester Ship Canal.
We need to lose that type of mentality, to be honest. Football has moved on.

Every big club has moved accepted it. Even Arsenal and Wenger. It might not be nice to hear but hoping that academy kids like Cleverley and Welbeck are going to carry the team is a plan that's doomed to fail.
 
One thing from Delaney's piece that I thought was striking: months ago there was talk of a £200m war chest and everyone laughed. He says that if we get the players we want (Vidal, Di Maria, Blind and Rojo) it would cost around £130m, to go with the £60m odd we spent on Herrera and Shaw. Let's be honest, in terms of here-and-now talent that will deliver titles, other than Vidal and Di Maria it doesn't exactly look like the most stellar of outlays, considering plenty of top players have gone for very manageable prices this summer. I'm not advocating not investing in young players, or suggesting we should be like PSG with daft big money signings, but by the looks of things £200m isn't a guarantee of very much.
Yea agreed. Mentioned in another thread that our scouting has gone to pot. We don't seem to be able to identify and bring in players we need before they quadruple in value.
 
A world class DM and that defence looks totally different. Look at the goals, both times you'd expect the DM to be anywhere near that exact player. We need some pace badly. That's why Mata is struggling, nobody is open, or making those good runs. Rooney, RvP, Mata and Januzaj could be amazing, all they need is another pacey winger to unlock things, like Schürrle did for Chelsea today.

I like our defenders and think they're good but we need more - they get injured too often.
 
One thing from Delaney's piece that I thought was striking: months ago there was talk of a £200m war chest and everyone laughed. He says that if we get the players we want (Vidal, Di Maria, Blind and Rojo) it would cost around £130m, to go with the £60m odd we spent on Herrera and Shaw. Let's be honest, in terms of here-and-now talent that will deliver titles, other than Vidal and Di Maria it doesn't exactly look like the most stellar of outlays, considering plenty of top players have gone for very manageable prices this summer. I'm not advocating not investing in young players, or suggesting we should be like PSG with daft big money signings, but by the looks of things £200m isn't a guarantee of very much.
This, my feeling exactly, well worded. We've spent big, and for the prices we paid, and are being touted as going to pay, we should have a squad of real star quality, which we just wont.
 
Bayern will learn it the hard way that they low ball them. Add another 10m€ and they can start talking. 25m€ fecking hell.
 
He would've been perfect for us. Madness we didn't go in for him straight away. Bayern lose a player and go in to replace him within a week, That's how a top club goes about their transfers.
 
A world class DM and that defence looks totally different. Look at the goals, both times you'd expect the DM to be anywhere near that exact player. We need some pace badly. That's why Mata is struggling, nobody is open, or making those good runs. Rooney, RvP, Mata and Januzaj could be amazing, all they need is another pacey winger to unlock things, like Schürrle did for Chelsea today.
I agree. Our team would be completely transformed if we signed a top quality CDM and a winger. Vidal is not a CDM but I also think signing him would be a pivotal signing in making it back to the top. Vidal is probably the best box to box midfielder in the world and he seems willing to come to us. We can't turn that down.
 
Yea agreed. Mentioned in another thread that our scouting has gone to pot. We don't seem to be able to identify and bring in players we need before they quadruple in value.
Been the case since 2007 and it's confirmed by the ages of players we want rid, they are all in the 25 - 28 range and we spent considerable sums planning for the future now the future has arrived it's only De Gea and Rafael, at a stretch, that have grown to the level we hoped.
 
He would've been perfect for us. Madness we didn't go in for him straight away. Bayern lose a player and go in to replace him within a week, That's how a top club goes about their transfers.

I have the impression they have been after him for longer than that. I refuse to believe that we were not after a very good player in a position we absolutely needed to strengthen that would seemingly go for 30 million euros.
He probably told us to do one as he was going to Bayern.
 
I have the impression they have been after him for longer than that. I refuse to believe that we were not after a very good player in a position we absolutely needed to strengthen that would seemingly go for 30 million euros.
He probably told us to do one as he was going to Bayern.
They had a €32m bid refused earlier in the year
 
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