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I'm surprised there haven't been demonstrations outside Old Trafford yet what with all this internet rage.
Kudos to you for making that out... I didn't know if he was speaking another language..
Some expected one or two big names coming in especially after Woody interview and it looks like this won't happen so people just expressing their filings about that.
It is hard to understand why we are obvious target top four trophy. We should go for first place and bring the players who could help us but we just don't do it.
I skimmed this thread after seeing a big jump in page numbers but it was much ado about nothing.
I want Vidal and Di Maria on my desk first thing in the morning muppets!
Stop fannying about!
I want Vidal and Di Maria on my desk first thing in the morning muppets!
Stop fannying about!
Does anyone here thinks that SAF would've done more business by now re: transfers?
I doubt it. I actually think we'd only have Shaw ATM if SAF were still here.
I doubt it. I actually think we'd only have Shaw ATM if SAF were still here.
I agree, want him more than Vidal tbh
Do people really feel Di Maria will help us that much? It won't stop us conceding goals.
I would rather have Di Maria instead of Fletcher in CM or Di Maria instead of Nani on the wing
I'd prefer Vidal, out of the two muppet dream signings, but Di Maria would revolutionize our going forward - I mean, Januzaj is probably our most dangerous player, Di Maria is way ahead of him..
Di Maria will definitely help us score more goals and keep opposing teams under sustained pressure.
Di Maria as one of the two in midfield would be a disaster. The only way he plays CM for us is if we get rid of the no. 10 from our system and play a 4-3-3 like Madrid did last season.
I can't see this happening.
If, by some miracle, we sign both Vidal and Di Maria, how would we line up? With a diamond?
Vidal-Herrera-Di Maria
-------Mata---------
-----RvP--Rooney----
Not sure if that would even work.
Vidal-Herrera-Di Maria
-------Mata---------
-----RvP--Rooney----
Not sure if that would even work.
I haven't seen a lot of Di Maria live. Where is his best position?
If we get Di Maria we will shift to a 4-3-3, no question about that. That is LvG's formation when he has the talent to play so. Ideally we'd sell one of the two CFs, sign someone like DePay as a back up winger and go with it.
Di Maria RvP/Rooney Adnan
Herrera Mata
Carrick
Shaw Smalling Jones Rafael
DDG
Herrera Mata
Carrick
Shaw Smalling Jones Rafael
DDG
Left or right forward in a 4-3-3
I think he would've did more last year, which would've lessened the need for him to make so many transfers this year.
Actually he played as a left-sided CM for Real Madrid last season, which all the Madrid fans I've spoken to say is his best position.
That's the formation I would like to see. I also think that Januzaj should be a definite starter.
He was absolutely World Class in a midfield 3 last season but I think at United he would play as a wide player in a 4-3-3 which is Van Gaal's preferred formation.
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He was playing more as a #10 who'd drift wide when Ronaldo took up central positions. He was also playing with Modric and Khedira behind him in midfield.
He wasn't really a 10. He was part of a midfield three, very much the left sided central midfielder but license to go forward and go out wide. Also Khedira tore his knee ligaments so was out most of the year, Alonso was behind him and Modric in midfield.
We have no idea what would happen. We wouldn't have Mata or fellaini. We might have Ronaldo and Strootman.
I know Fergie would never let Vidic sign with Inter in January.
That's the only formation that caters to all four of our star attacking players. Perhaps it could work, because di Maria would provide the pace, energy and dynamism so deprived in this team which could really change the whole complexion of our attacking play and bring the best out of our more static and immobile players like Mata and RvP.
I think if we were to sign di Maria though, there would be an absolute necessity to sign a number six however and signing both the Argentine and Vidal would be very bad for the balance and structure of the team. Signing di Maria would signal the shift in change from a three centre back system to a formation comprising of just the two CB's - whatever it is. While, signing Vidal and partnering him with Herrera and Mata ahead would be more suitable for the 3-5-2 where there is no room for di Maria unless we bench one of RvP or Mata.
I know we shouldn't be picky and we are in desperate need of top bracket quality, but I do think we should sign one or the other with di Maria and Vidal, because signing a player of that calibre could determine which system LvG decides to use on a full-time basis and then that will offer a clearer picture on the specified players and roles we should be targeting.
Personally, I'd be quite reasonably content to see this as our starting XI until January and then further additions should be expected to rectify the obvious weaknesses that still remain.
de Gea
Rafael - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick
Herrera - di Maria
Mata
Welbeck - Rooney
Rafael - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick
Herrera - di Maria
Mata
Welbeck - Rooney
Subs: Lindegaard, Evans, Jones, Fletcher, Kagawa, Januzaj, van Persie
Just assessing that team, I really believe di Maria could make a substantial difference just as much as Vidal would. It wouldn't solve our defensive issues, but having one player who possesses pace, flair, dynamism and energy in a team sorely lacking pretty much all those attributes could go a long way to revitalising this side. Whatever system we use, I don't see the triumvirate of RvP, Rooney and Mata working in tandem and I think Welbeck is a vital player for us so I'd include him at the expense of RvP.
With that front six, we would have a great combination of athleticism, energy, creativity, pace, precision, tactical flexibility, etc. We could become a devastating attacking force once again. Of course, implementing the diamond is far more difficult in practice as we witnessed in 2012/13, but I do think that could work with the correct personnel.
Sorry for the long-winded post.
If we were to sign Di Maria we surely wouldn't be cramping him into 532. It would mean Mata out of his no 10 role and one of Van Persie/Rooney on the bench.
As I said in the other thread the players we have dictate we stick to 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) imo - we can get away with dropping 1 of Rooney, RVP & Mata but we can't get away with dropping 2 of them (and playing any out of position will be pointless for all concerned) so if by the grace of god we do sign Di Maria he'll play one side with Januzaj the other
Mata would still play in the 10 position.
I think once Shaw, Evans and Carrick are fit, we're going to switch over to 433 anyway. But you're right, that does impact our plans of defensive purchases. Does LvG deem Rojo to be good enough to play in a center back pair?
If it were to happen then I'd like to see us try a 4312/diamond with Di Maria and Herrera as the roaming midfielders, tasked with carrying the ball forward and link with our fullbacks. Carrick could provide the balance acting as a central pivot screening the back four and always offering the pass to build from the back. We would still be able to have Mata behind Rooney and Van Persie this way, and Di Maria would offer us that tactical flexibility of switching to 433 if needed.
An apology for transfer bullshit? That's gotta be a first.
I'm not all that keen on the players you listed but I agree that LvG is likely to go young and not De Jong who is nearly 30 and surplus to requirements at City 3 years ago, he said he doesn't buy short term so the stop gap idea is a no go IMO.
He's clearly for sale.
Time for that warchest, bonerman.
Time for that warchest, bonerman.
Vidal is for sale, Benatia is for sale and Di Maria is certainly for sale. Shame that we aren't on the market though.
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