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Brightonian said:
But - and this is apparently very important to them - only mediocre players. Spurs proved that that's the way to effectively replace a crucial star player, right? Blow all the money on fifteen average squad members.
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In fairness I think Liverpool's batch of signings come September will be more impressive than what Spurs did and they weren't so reliant on Suarez as Spurs were with Bale. They also needed to vastly improve their squad, which they have to their credit.
 
The thing is, Spurs players weren't seen as average when they came in.

People wanted us to buy Lamela, Eriksen and Paulinho as they were all highly rated.

Many thought Soldado might be the better striker between him and Negredo after a good season in Spain.
 
Brightonian said:
You know you can only field 11 at a time, right? At this rate you'll be signing players in August who'll force the players you signed in July out of the squad. Why don't you just not sign Eto'o, and stick to the 'boss' attacker instead.
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I do. And I've maintained we need both a striker and a wide player even before the Eto'o links. It'll be nice to have a squad so that next season we don't have people like you then saying our squad is too small again.
 
Brightonian said:
But - and this is apparently very important to them - only mediocre players. Spurs proved that that's the way to effectively replace a crucial star player, right? Blow all the money on fifteen average squad members.
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I'm intrigued. Who have we signed who is average?
 
BarneyLFC said:
I do. And I've maintained we need both a striker and a wide player even before the Eto'o links. It'll be nice to have a squad so that next season we don't have people like you then saying our squad is too small again.
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I've never said that. The point, though, now that you've said it, is that Liverpool had two key issues to address this summer. You needed a bigger squad to cope with the CL. And you've done that. But you also needed to convincingly replace Suarez, and you haven't done that. There's no signing amongst your haul this summer - no two signings combined, even - who look like having any chance of stepping into a starting XI and replacing the impact Suarez had satisfactorily.

Glanville95 said:
In fairness I think Liverpool's batch of signings come September will be more impressive than what Spurs did and they weren't so reliant on Suarez as Spurs were with Bale. They also needed to vastly improve their squad, which they have to their credit.
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Arguably Spurs' signings last season came in with a better reputation than Liverpool's this summer. Obviously for most that reputation didn't play out, but then that was probably exactly because this transfer strategy doesn't work. Paulinho, Eriksen and Lamela were all players who plenty on here wanted us, the title-holders at the time, to sign. I don't see many people saying that about Lovren, Lambert or Markovic.
 
Brightonian said:
I've never said that. The point, though, now that you've said it, is that Liverpool had two key issues to address this summer. You needed a bigger squad to cope with the CL. And you've done that. But you also needed to convincingly replace Suarez, and you haven't done that. There's no signing amongst your haul this summer - no two signings combined, even - who look like having any chance of stepping into a starting XI and replacing the impact Suarez had satisfactorily.



Arguably Spurs' signings last season came in with a better reputation than Liverpool's this summer. Obviously for most that reputation didn't play out, but then that was probably exactly because this transfer strategy doesn't work. Paulinho, Eriksen and Lamela were all players who plenty on here wanted us, the title-holders at the time, to sign. I don't see many people saying that about Lovren, Lambert or Markovic.
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Arsenal replaced RvP with Giroud. United replaces Ronaldo with Valencia. Spurs replaced Bale with Lamela. None of these teams were significantly worse in the league the year after.

Lovren improves any defence in the league barring Chelsea's and most people won't have seen Markovic play before.
 
Pocchetino has heaped heavy praise on Lamela during pre-season. This could be a better year for him.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Arsenal replaced RvP with Giroud. United replaces Ronaldo with Valencia. Spurs replaced Bale with Lamela. None of these teams were significantly worse in the league the year after.

Lovren improves any defence in the league barring Chelsea's and most people won't have seen Markovic play before.
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I've seen quite abit of Markovic and I think he has the potential to be a fantastic player.
 
Brightonian said:
I've never said that. The point, though, now that you've said it, is that Liverpool had two key issues to address this summer. You needed a bigger squad to cope with the CL. And you've done that. But you also needed to convincingly replace Suarez, and you haven't done that. There's no signing amongst your haul this summer - no two signings combined, even - who look like having any chance of stepping into a starting XI and replacing the impact Suarez had satisfactorily.



Arguably Spurs' signings last season came in with a better reputation than Liverpool's this summer. Obviously for most that reputation didn't play out, but then that was probably exactly because this transfer strategy doesn't work. Paulinho, Eriksen and Lamela were all players who plenty on here wanted us, the title-holders at the time, to sign. I don't see many people saying that about Lovren, Lambert or Markovic.
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Let me rephrase that, I expect the majority of Liverpool signings to make an instant and impressionable impact more than their Spurs counterparts did. You are quite right though, the Spurs players did have more esteemed reputations than that of Liverpool's players, but all were foriegn imports and some have either struggled to adapt to the Premier League (Lamela), not been all that (Chadli & Capoue), suffered injuries (Paulinho) or failed to suit the team (Soldado). However, I do think some of those will really settle next season like Lamela and Chiriches who I like.

Currently, Liverpool have far more stability than Spurs did and a specific and set philosophy for prospective signings to acclimatize to. Essentially, Liverpool is a far greater environment for new acquisitions in my eyes. Some players might struggle like Lambert for instance, but I think Moreno (if he signs), Lovren and Lallana will do very well for them. This is all purely a hunch of course, but adding depth was needed whether Suarez departed or not. Liverpool have done that, but in many ways they will struggle to compensate for the loss of Suarez. I just think there were different circumstances for Liverpool and Spurs.
 
BarneyLFC said:
I'm intrigued. Who have we signed who is average?
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BarneyLFC said:
Lovren improves any defence in the league barring Chelsea's and most people won't have seen Markovic play before.
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There's really no point me trying to convince you on this particular point; nothing I say will make any difference. If you think these players are the sort to make inroads in the Champions League, fair enough. I don't. Three of them had their best ever seasons for a club that was viewed as one of the biggest success stories of the year... and finished 8th.

BarneyLFC said:
Arsenal replaced RvP with Giroud. United replaces Ronaldo with Valencia. Spurs replaced Bale with Lamela. None of these teams were significantly worse in the league the year after.
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Arsenal replaced RVP with Giroud but also bought Ozil, a world-class player. None of Liverpool's signing so far are Ozil-quality.

United, 'replacing' Ronaldo with Valencia, dropped a place on the table and five points, and were knocked out of the CL three stages earlier. This was despite the fact that we had a squad absolutely stacked with world class talent: Rooney, Scholes, Van der Saar, Giggs, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Tevez etc. Liverpool don't have that sort of quality cushion.

Spurs dropped a position in a season where United's implosion basically should have shifted everyone else up one. They were overtaken by Everton, who spent a minuscule fraction of their outlay that summer, and were roundly criticised for a terrible set of transfers by the pundits. And that's considering that Lamela was one of Europe's hot young things when they bought him, which none of Liverpool's signings really are.
 
iBoss said:
I think he will be one of the players of the season if he's used in a 433. Tottenham have a good thing with him and Eriksen. I also don't think Soldado will be as bad again. The CM and back line will let them down.
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They are quite an interesting team. Most don't consider them as competitors for 4th, but they could really be a dark horse in my opinion.

Their squad is pretty decent and they finally have a competent manager in charge - who they need to allow time, unless they want to suffer the same short-comings. They are not really of a poor standard in any department and they have emerging and improving talents in Lamela, Eriksen, as well as Bentaleb who I rate. A lot might depend on how they take to Pochettino's philosophy though. If they can adapt quickly, they could have a good season.
 
Brightonian said:
There's really no point me trying to convince you on this particular point; nothing I say will make any difference. If you think these players are the sort to make inroads in the Champions League, fair enough. I don't. Three of them had their best ever seasons for a club that was viewed as one of the biggest success stories of the year... and finished 8th.



Arsenal replaced RVP with Giroud but also bought Ozil, a world-class player. None of Liverpool's signing so far are Ozil-quality.

United, 'replacing' Ronaldo with Valencia, dropped a place on the table and five points, and were knocked out of the CL three stages earlier. This was despite the fact that we had a squad absolutely stacked with world class talent: Rooney, Scholes, Van der Saar, Giggs, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Tevez etc. Liverpool don't have that sort of quality cushion.

Spurs dropped a position in a season where United's implosion basically should have shifted everyone else up one. They were overtaken by Everton, who spent a minuscule fraction of their outlay that summer, and were roundly criticised for a terrible set of transfers by the pundits. And that's considering that Lamela was one of Europe's hot young things when they bought him, which none of Liverpool's signings really are.
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I do think they are, absolutely. Barcelona have just signed Mathieu and Vermaelen, City have just signed Mangala, etc.

Arsenal didn't sign Ozil the season RvP left.

Were Everton roundly criticised? I don't think they were. I think most acknowledged that Martinez had done really well to make the signings he did particularly those that came towards the end of the window (and I do include loans in this as they are signings too).
 
Glanville95 said:
Currently, Liverpool have far more stability than Spurs did and a specific and set philosophy for prospective signings to acclimatize to. Essentially, Liverpool is a far greater environment for new acquisitions in my eyes. Some players might struggle like Lambert for instance, but I think Moreno (if he signs), Lovren and Lallana will do very well for them. This is all purely a hunch of course, but adding depth was needed whether Suarez departed or not. Liverpool have done that, but in many ways they will struggle to compensate for the loss of Suarez. I just think there were different circumstances for Liverpool and Spurs.
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Yep, this bit I agree with. I can definitely see players like Lallana and Can fitting in smoothly. What I don't see them doing is either effectively replacing Suarez, or really improving on Liverpool's average squad quality. Is Lallana better than Coutinho? Not really, they're about the same. Is Markovic better than Sterling? No, I don't think so. Nothing aside from a half-decent WC sets Origi apart from Borini.

Only Lovren constitutes a serious step up. Whilst Liverpool will now go into a CL season with enough players to cope, they'll also go into it with a starting XI not much changed aside from losing Suarez, which would worry me if I was them.
 
BarneyLFC said:
I do think they are, absolutely. Barcelona have just signed Mathieu and Vermaelen, City have just signed Mangala, etc.

Arsenal didn't sign Ozil the season RvP left.

Were Everton roundly criticised? I don't think they were. I think most acknowledged that Martinez had done really well to make the signings he did particularly those that came towards the end of the window (and I do include loans in this as they are signings too).
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No, sorry, that wasn't very clear... I meant that Spurs were roundly criticised. I was adding that as further evidence that they suffered from that transfer strategy.
 
The transfers are only half of it. Technically, we replaced Ronaldo & Tevez with Valencia and Owen.

In reality we moved Rooney central alongside Berbatov (mostly on the bench the season before), and changed to a 4-4- 1-1/2 from 4-3-3 and played a far slower paced possession game with a lot of crossing (not too dissimilar to last seasons tactics in all honesty).
 
Brightonian said:
Yep, this bit I agree with. I can definitely see players like Lallana and Can fitting in smoothly. What I don't see them doing is either effectively replacing Suarez, or really improving on Liverpool's average squad quality. Is Lallana better than Coutinho? Not really, they're about the same. Is Markovic better than Sterling? No, I don't think so. Nothing aside from a half-decent WC sets Origi apart from Borini.

Only Lovren constitutes a serious step up. Whilst Liverpool will now go into a CL season with enough players to cope, they'll also go into it with a starting XI not much changed aside from losing Suarez, which would worry me if I was them.
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Yep, it's as if they've upgraded immeasurably with their squad depth which was pivotal, yet marginally downgraded on the first team losing their one, genuine 'star quality' player in Suarez. The question marks that would linger in my mind would be how Gerrard performs this season and if Sturridge can step-up to the mark over the course of the season if he's the main striker. The I doubt the former will have a significant plight, but I do think his decline will be quite telling over the next few seasons and I highly doubt Liverpool will get anywhere near the goals tally they set last season

I suppose, if you offered the fans the chance of an evidently superior squad, but inferior XI, they would have taken that. They should now be able to combat both domestic and European competition and their XI is a bit more balanced now in terms of quality instead of simply spread among the offensive players. As I said, they weren't so overly-reliant on Suarez as Spurs were with Bale and they didn't player like a dysfunctional and disjointed side, so they still have the basis of a good, progressive side.

With the intensity they play at and pace in the team, they will still score goals for fun, but even though the team will compensate for Suarez's loss at times, the same loss of ingenuity will be telling in certain games and I think they will struggle for goals at times.
 
Shane88 said:
We clearly haven't a chance of getting this guy.

Even when we were in the Champions League, players would choose Barca over us, 10 times out of 10.
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It was our own fault for making them 9 more offers.
 
Not looking good in regards to signings. I think our business is done bar somebody like blind perhaps which is not what we need. Going to be an underwhelming window once again I fear.
 
Shane88 said:
We clearly haven't a chance of getting this guy.

Even when we were in the Champions League, players would choose Barca over us, 10 times out of 10.
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That implies we're at a stage where both clubs have had offers accepted. It won't be surprising if we're prepared to pay a higher fee than Barca considering they've already spent a lot more including a marquee signing, and have a higher standard of players than us already in the positions that he'd play.

Is it known what price Fiorentina paid for him? If it's highish then they're going to stand firm so that they make a decent profit.
 
Stretch said:
Ok so who do we believe? Cadena Ser and Sport say Barca have pulled out of the deal and that were favourites but Mundo Deportivo say player is pushing Barca deal?
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I think Barcelona's sporting director pretty much confirmed it himself that they were still in for him at Vermaelen's unveiling.
 
I've been away for 6 days. Technically I'm still away, just managed to get WiFi at 2:30 in the morning. First time I've been able to check the Car. Anyway, nearly 100 pages added to this thread.

I'm strangely proud guys. Well done.
 
I think I'm even prouder that we haven't signed anyone and still a 100 pages added. Bravo.
 
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Is it known what price Fiorentina paid for him? If it's highish then they're going to stand firm so that they make a decent profit.
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I think 25m€.

Edit: It's 22m€, 7 + 15 later on the bidding process for the player's rights.
 
Could we be the only team with money on the 2 Sept? What players will still be available?
 
This transfer window has been really bad. We don't fukking sign players!!!!!!

It's horrible, I wish we just spent the fuking money we earn, instead of giving it to the glazers.
 
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