You make it sound like he's John Goodman. He's plenty capable of running around and getting up and down the pitch, and is fitter than he gets credit for. I think people see a stockier than normal footballer and immediately think he's a lazy fat feck who can't run. Look at how he plays, he's never been short on stamina.
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He's a fantastic player, no doubt about that, but unless Rooney or RVP are off I just don't see the need for him.
Off topic...this twitter discussion thread has become what modmins wanted to avoid in the oryginal twitter thread. The twitts only thread is dead and dusted.
I know it's twitter discussion thread and we can share our views etc. why don't we just trust our manager, if he wants Cavani I am sure he will have a plan for Rooney and other strikers. I don't expect Rooney to take the ball from midfield dribble pass players and score a goal - he has his strengths, surely he can make a short or long pass or make clever runs from midfield.
I won't mind spending my dollars to watch Cavani play for us. The more competition we have in our team for each position the better it is, let's just the manger worry about where he will fit in his new signings.
I won't mind spending my dollars to watch Cavani play for us. The more competition we have in our team for each position the better it is, let's just the manger worry about where he will fit in his new signings.
Fair enough if he was but he will be getting older which obviously means his energy will start to suffer. His stocky stature means a box-to-box role is out of the question imo. What box-to-box midfielder in world football has his stature. Strootman, Vidal or Lars Bender etc don't anyway.
Tbf though given there's been nothing in previous windows to suggest there's an unlimited pot of cash, or even just a massive fund for transfers then undoubtedly signing someone of Cavani's quality would mean significant funds away from the pot for the other area's like midifeld, defence and out wide. I think it's highly unlikely that we could strengthen those area's appropriately and still sign Cavani which I guess is what a lot of other people think as well.
I think there is not much transfer gossip/tweets out there. Once World Cup is finished I think this thread will be the busiest one with all transfer tweets and gossip.
Is Jamie Jackson on holiday or something?
Someone messaged DT on twitter and asked directly.
I was meaning the fact Jamie Jackson pooh poohs all our transfer targets.
Where is the fun on that and when we ever did that?
This is a silly argument, but his build doesn't matter. Nor does the fact that other box to box players don't have his build. All that would matter would be if he was able to get around the pitch enough, and so far the evidence says he could. His skill set lends more to box to box than holding, as a midfielder.
But I don't get how we get from 'van Gaal may well play 4-3-3' to the insinuation that if we added a striker to our first choice two that one would have to be sold. Especially when you consider that Rooney and Cavani are fairly versatile 'attacking' players.
Yes but Cavani is crying because, he wants to play in the centre. And Rooney did the same last summer.
If that's the case then he won't come. I don't see what the objection is unless we're all suddenly concerned about Cavani's happiness. If he comes it'll be presumably once he's discussed terms/plans with the club and manager. If he's unhappy with a role he's to be assigned he'll turn it down. Don't understand why fans would object to a signing on that basis.
If it is true that we are looking at Cavani, would it be far fetched to suggest we might play a line up of Rooney - van Persie - Cavani, similar to when we played Rooney - Tevez - Ronaldo? Either way, that's a pretty slow front three
Well normally the 433 would have 2 wingers/wide attackers and a proper striker in the middle. Rooney, RVP and Cavani are best suited to the central role, Rooney didn't look great in the wide role for England (though might be better under a different/better coach) and Cavani doesn't particularly want to play there any more, if his supposed reasoning for wanting out of PSG is to be believed.
Even with no transfers so far, it's still a lot more optimistic to see how we'll go this season isn't it.
Last season was the absolutely uninspiring manager choice, the ridiculous soundbites, the odd transfer tactics.
This year, a proper top manager, who even with no signings, you feel will stop us being such a sift touch.
Last season was the absolutely uninspiring manager choice, the ridiculous soundbites, the odd transfer tactics.
This year, a proper top manager, who even with no signings, you feel will stop us being such a sift touch.
Or even Rooney - Cavani and Mata as three playmakers, could be a tremendously versatile and fluid attacking set-up with RVP up top as arguably the one most out of his comfort-zone drifting around.
It's the biggest non story ever. It can only be dragging on from Moyes time, where it looked like VP was on his way out, so a big name striker wouldn't be a bad idea.
With VP clearly the absolute darling again now, it is an impossible move.
Well sure, in those circumstances (Cavani and Rooney both happy to play in the wide roles of a 3, and play well there, and it working for us) then I'd be happy enough to see it happen....
As long as we still strengthened the areas we need to strenthen in.
Hey, i'm not against his purchase, i don't see the point but i'm not against. with 60 million we can sign Alexis Sanchez and Miranda. And Sanchez is as good as Cavani but he is a winger.
Can Cavani play behind the striker? If so, that sounds plausible. Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4-2-2-2 set up with Cavani up front next to van Persie.
I'd say that's where tbe majority of tye story comes from. RVP wouldn't have hung around this season, for me, under Moyes and we'd have needed to replace him, so Cavani made sense then. With RVP I don't see the need for him, and don't think we'll be signing him. Though I wouldn't complain if we did, as we'd only sign him if LVG felt he needed to and could use him.
I just don't see it happening.
That could work, with two solid midfielders in behind. Though it would struggle from a lack of genuine pace.
Pace would be the main issue there.
What I mean by his build is that as he gets older his joints will struggle to hold the extra weight that he has which would lead to less ability to run.
Also, the lack of width from our attcking options would be almost inexistent on that setup. I am not sure that fullbacks can offer the neccesary width if at-least one of the attacking players isn't either winger or winger-like player (like Januzaj).
That's why I don't think that it would be something that we would be looking at. If you want to play 4-3-3 like that, you need pace and at least one winger like we had with Ronaldo as opposed to 3 strikers. I wouldn't like us to line up with one of Rooney or Cavani playing wide, let alone both.
He's not that big for feck sake.
Honestly, what weight do you think Rooney actually is?
It's ridiculous isn't it. It's like when you see some fat goon at a game, smashing his way through burger chips and booze, shouting at some super trim premier league athlete calling him fat
I had an argument back in the newbies with a bunch of newbtards about him not being obese
Its as if people actually think he is obese.
No chance! I see what you mean, but in this instance it's for the dippers and I never want or like to see them do well!
Come on, I am not calling him obese. Players like Strootman and Vidal are pure muscle and athletic machines. Rooney is not. That is my point.
It is unbelievable. He has got a body the average man would love to have.
You're saying his extra weight is going to effect his joints. Near enough to calling him obese.
We have an extremely one-paced squad at the moment. The only ones I can think of are Rafa, Evra and Chich, none of whom are lightning, and then Welbeck, Valencia and Januzaj. That's something I'd like to see us improve on this summer.
I said that it would affect his energy as he got older if he was trying to become a box-to-box midfielder. He is not obese but most box-to-box midfielders are natural athletes and I wouldn't call Rooney one of them.
So its a matter of who is closest to United and has the better contacts Andy Mitten or Daniel Taylor then? Personally Id listen to Mitten first considering he is the only journalist to get close enough Ed Woodward to actually interview him.
They really aren't. They have lower body fat percentages and better builds, but these players really aren't 'muscle machines'.
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