Thought he looked pretty ordinary vs Ghana
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Same here.
Wonder if Woody is using this as leverage for Vidal or Pogba.
Who was thier second group game? He changed the game in that match.
USA, did he?
They lost their lead and went behind when he came on....
He wasn't ordinary vs Ghana, he was terrible.
I honestly can't remember it's the game where marillas was playing like a donkey and he came on for him.
For anyone claiming that Carvalho had an impressive world cup...Please go back and check again!
Does it exist?
@SolidState Wrong team bro.
Against USA he was our best player. Was awful against Ghana for us though.
I doubt it's one or the other, they're nothing alike in terms of playing style.
You'd be looking at more like €40m + Bebe.
Goncalo doesn't have a clue, wouldn't take his word for anything.
Me too. Didn't stand out at all in that game.
This Carvalho rumour is so odd, it came out of nowhere. I don't us paying what they want.
assume he means Meireles - or however you spell it!
Ah crap, completely forgot about him.
Noooooooooo the one that plays for Portugal, big beard used to play for Chelsea, fairly uselessMirallas? Belgium? Origi?
Easy mistake I guess?
raul meireles.
Much like Herrera...
I don't know. He seems to have the right attributes, we have followed him, scouted him. If the decision was made that he's the right player and is as good as some people seem to think, I believe we'll be willing to spend quite a bit on him.
He was not ordinary, he was horrible. The ball control was very poor and was poor at everything else.
He has gotten a reputation way beyond what he deserve, part because he has performed in a poor league and part because people are getting fooled by a insane price tag.
For the sake of balance a DM makes much more sense than another box to box player. We all love Vidal but if we're talking types of players Herrera is more likely to be Vidal's alternative.
How many times have you seen him play?
And you're basing this off the 90 minutes against Ghana I presume?
I think Herrera is closer to a more mobile Carrick, while Vidal is Roy Keane mk2.
You can't judge him on just those World Cup performances.
Otherwise Januzaj would be considered awful.
Otherwise Januzaj would be considered awful.
Agree with the latter, Vidal is just class. I was under the impression though that Herrera was a slightly more offensively minded box to boxer.
In fairness he wasn't the worst in a pathetic finals showing by the Portugeezers...None of them looked arsed!
People were making comments like this about Strootman a while back when I was in the newbies, one season at Roma and he's all the rave. You can't be too premature with you judgement of these young'uns.
Hes nothing like Carrick, almost definitely been bought as the box to box midfielder. He's capable of playing deeper but Herrera was always more offensive minded and a creative player, basically exactly what we have missed in a central midfielder. Someone who's very good on the ball, can run with it, play splitting passes but is good defensively and is energetic.
You are definitely right, if the rumours are true I will not be complaining...I just don't agree that he had an impressive showing at the finals..None of that team did!
There's no way you forgo Vidal for the sake of balance. If anything, he's a player you build the rest of midfield around and make it work.
Besides, Vidal and Herrera could play in a 2-man set-up in a variety of ways, be it as part of a 4-4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or as two behind the one in a 4-3-3.
Tactically, there's quite a few workarounds with those two playing together especially as we're not in Europe next season.
How many times have you seen him play then?
He had a few stray passes and one poor piece of control. He's a great tackler and he showed it even in that game. He was very good in the other game. I've only seen him a handful of times but I like what I've seen. Seems to have absolutely everything you'd want from a holding player. By the sounds of things that, poor performance was a surprise to those who've watched him regularly.
There's nothing really indicating that he is or was ever up for sale though, so there's no need for us to get our knickers in a twist, because you might as well be complaining that we haven't signed Messi and Ronaldo.
Essentially I agree with everything you said. There are question marks are over whether he's even available, whether we'd have a chance of getting him and how much he'd cost. If there was a chance of getting him I'm sure we'd go for it. Otherwise for balance's sake it seems like we're after a holder and there's good as no chance we'd sign both.
Was addressing the point of getting a "DM" over Vidal for the sake of balance if that was an option.
I can't give you an exact number, but it's over ten. I can say that I have seen him playing very impressive in games also in games he has looked like a good footballer and not just strong, defensive midfielder. But, I have also seen him beeing clumpsy, like the last game in the WC. The thing is that he is just not a good enough technical in any way for me to be even close to justify the price tag. It is just not serious for me at all.
I think he has a future in a good league, but he is just not a top player and I can't see how he will ever be.
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