I never said that Mourinho was doing a great job at United. My point is that he got 7 more points than Ole in a harder season (league wise).
Why was it a harder season?
Of course it is but you can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Oles points totals show that he wasn't a crap manager and then turn around and discount a comparison on points...
When have I said anything about points totals under Ole?
Then how have you watched us for the last 3 years and not seen the massive gulf in quality between the football we played and the football the best teams play. What other team that competes for big trophies is as poor as us in general moment to moment play?
We obviously have very different opinions, tastes and perceptions of what Manchester United played in the last 2+ seasons.
Whats other teams bridging the gap to City/Liverpool got to do with anything. Chelsea were looking like doing it until they lost all momentum when both their prolific wing backs got injured earlier in the season. If you have watched much of Chelsea this year you will have seen that they very much are building towards something that could challenge these two. Mainly because they have a good manager who is coaching the team to play good football. I have little doubt that if Tuchel is backed in the summer he will mount some sort of title challenge next season.
If Pogba was available all season he would have put in another 2 or 3 8/10 performances and his usual 3/10 performances the other 90% of the time. Martial hasn't pulled up trees for a while. I'm not even really sure what you are getting at here...
So, you are spinning hypotheticals "If Ole did things differently, we would've won" and do not see the relevancy? Sure...
Fixing the basic errors you have made time and time again in your setup for games to get something from a match that you should be easily winning doesn't qualify as good game management. Good game management is making the right decision at the right time to change a game in your favour when needs be. Its not being in that position game after game and rectifying your mistakes time and time again. Thats poor preparation and planning.
You are tying yourselve in knots of stupidity here. So, making the decision to change a game in your favour when needs be is good management. And that is EXACTLY what Ole did time and time again.
And, of course, all other managers just win their games 3:0, every game, so I see where you are coming from....not.
This says quite a lot about your understanding of the game. Who do you think is going to score all their goals? The goalkeeper and defenders...
Of course your star attacking players score most of your goals. It would be really weird if they didn't. In fact, point me to a team where most of their goals don't come from their forwards, I reckon its pretty hard.
So, now it's not that star players are winning the games. It's something else....cool.
The criticism of United has never been that our star players are scoring all our goals, its always been that we play like utter dross and then a couple of our star players will pull something nice out of the bag to save us. Liverpool score a lot of team goals with build up throughout the team. United will have 2 players combine to score a goal. Thats the difference. Team vs the individual. Liverpool will come away with a 3-0 win and all their players rated 8/10. We will come away with a 3-0 win and most of our players rated in the 6's and those are quite often generous based on the fact half our fans think that the team played well simply if we win a game.
Ok, please show me some analysis that indicates how our goals were scored with less combination play than Liverpool, who, btw, rely heavily on catching their opponent in their half and then scoring with 1-2 passes. But whatever, I obviously don't watch enough football.
We didn't make steady progress over 2 years. We made stumbling progress at best and thats being generous.
We obviously have very different opinions, tastes and perceptions of what Manchester United played in the last 2+ seasons.
I mean most of the team are pampered and overpaid. What is your point here? He is the manager and left an unfit and horrendously entitled bunch of players who don't even have a passing level of professionalism considering their wages. Not just players he signed. I've never claimed the players he signed are particularly problematic over the rest of them.
I assume Ole wanted him because you wouldn't pay that money for a player the manager wasn't bothered about and who isn't exactly a marketing home run.
Just like Mourinho wanted him. Enough to get himself sacked. Pep also wanted him, enough to comment on him several times.
He trots around the pitch, gets caught out repeatedly because he can't be bothered to sprint if he isn't engaged in a direct one on one. Hes on wages that suggest hes actually a decent footballer. The pampered part is because at any other top club he would have been sold or benched if he put in the work rate he does at United.
I mean, hes barely been used but again, the United fan base are idiots and don't seem to understand that putting a player than thrives in a dynamic team that passes and moves wouldn't do so well in a team where players don't have a fecking clue what they are going to do before they get the ball and have to look up and take 2-3s to figure out where all their teammates are.
Same with Sancho, great player in the right team but Dortmund play a very different style of football to us and he doesn't suit our "Ole style" at all.
Not really sure why you are bringing this up or do you want me to go through all of the players Ole has signed...
Our squad (in general) is lazy, underworked and over-indulged.
Comments "in general" are a sign of something. Google it.
Telles is just limited but who knows why we have him. Another player I don't have any real issue with other than him not really being good enough. Cavani has always been a worker. Ole didn't work some sort of magic on him. Hes just demotivated this season and has had a number of injuries.
Got it. Ole is at fault only for SOME players, but not all. So Cavani now is demotivated but was motivated last season because?
I know a lot of Liverpool fans and most of them worship the ground he walks on and although they admit that Klopp has the structure in place to allow him to do his best work, they also dread the day he leaves.
You should ask them how they felt in his first two seasons.
What older players did he sign for significant amounts. RvP is the only one that comes to mind and RvP was bloody amazing. Probably the most quality I have seen from a striker in the PL in a single season. Scored some sublime goals. Fergie was brilliant at using what he had, getting the most from it and doing just enough. He was given money to get certain players but he wasn't backed to anything like the degree that our managers since him have.
Berbatov comes to mind.
Of course its not that simple, I never said it was. Again, I'm not sure what your point is. He got players he wanted, missed out on ones he would rather have and I'm sure everything in between. Every manager has that. Klopp and Guardiola included.
Difference is that when Guardiola has a bad transfer or a player he doesn't want anymore (Mangala, Otamendi, Danilo, Delph, Hart, Bony, Nolito, Fernando, Kolarov, Nasri, Dzeko, Jovetic, Zabaleta, Navas, Caballero, Bravo) his club sells them. No questions asked. No "preservation of value". How many of those would still be in our squad if roles were reversed?
Klopp doesn't. He gets what he can and he works with it. Hes just a very very good manager and gets the best out of players because (as I have been trying to gently suggest) the team is more important than the individual in all the best teams. Ole was rubbish at creating a good team. He assembled what was at times a good set of players but he built and coached a shit team.
"He gets what he can and he works with it". Are you serious? Henderson and Firmino are the only remnants of the team he inherited. Do a bit of research before writing bs.
