Turning on Rangnick

[LazyGoal]

What is this absolute mess of a post dear me… yes those results happened in six weeks, but Ole had been at the club for multiple seasons beforehand? Its his team, its his tactics, he didnt just show up like Rangnick just has

Damn he’s better than Klopp we should have kept Ole

Its not the mess you make it out to be. I looked it up. You are right on the first point with the smallest of margins, but that was not your point was it? After last season, Ole had managed 168 games (big dataset) for us and was just one point behind Klopp on his first 168 games. I guess this fall went in Klopps favor with some 10-20 points more.

Anyhow, overall Ole did well, but he failed to win a trophy (on the 10th penalty kick), he had the worst of luck in all cup draws, broke the PL away record and there was a togetherness in the squad. We got 2nd and 3rd. But, l’m not making the case here that he should have stayed the way things devloped over that 6 week period.

Now Ragnick is here as an interim, and he will not be here with resposibillity after that. The games under Ragnick has been bad, and the stats lie becouse its such a small dataset that are not representative of the leauge or the CL. We have played the worst teams in the leauge. And by all accounts the team has taken a turn for the even worse both on and off the pitch. My point here is that Ragnick would have lost all his games so far if we had played above avarage teams. Add to that the off field noise that is bubbeling, we are now somehow worse of than with Ole. That calls for big qustionemarks over his approch to his managment at our club.

Ragnick will not be above the next manager, and all of you need to understand just that. The consequens of that is that its not possible for him to «make the team ready» for a new manager when it commes to formation and system of play. Unless there is allready an agreement with a new manager and they have plan toghether. This looks not to be the case at the moment.

So what have Ragnick to play for:
• he has been in charge of 5 PL games. He took over at 14 games. He has been in charge for about 30% of our season so far.
• he has 19 PL left games = 57 points.
• we have now 31 points and can reach 88
• we need +70 to get CL. This means we can loose 18 points from the last 19 games.
• we still have CL, which we worked very hard for last year
• and we have the FA cup.

Now, how on earth can he be a interim manager worth his salt, and football consultant worth keeping, if he cant work with this challange — with a squad that has finished top four the last two years in a row and was in the EL final?

The narrative on here is that we should disregard all of that becouse the players are not good enuogh, when they clearly are.

Ragnick innsist on a advanced 4-2-2-2 like a stubborn fool. The system doesnt suit our players and and will take time and different players to work. Anyone can see. And to throw this whole season under the bus under the exuse to make the team ready for a new manager, which we even dont know who is yet — with 4222— is in my book not proper thinking. There is close to zero managers out there who play 4222 like Ragnick, and with good reasons. So how does that work with setting us up for anything but Ragnick?

So, maybe Ragnick is just a one trick pony? And he want the job for himself.

Anyhow, this leaves us with these alternatives:
1. As-is: continue with Ragnick on interim, new manager from next season
2. Hire Ragnik as a permanent manager
3. Fire Ragnick as an interim and hire a new permanent manager or a new interim manager

From what I can see. Alternativ 1 is not working and we must do something very soon. I’m fine with either alternative 2 or 3

 

[LazyGoal]

We're not adopting a puppy or taking in an orphan. These are a bunch of grown ass men and the new manager shouldn't have to coax them out from under the bed with a treat.

These players are just overpaid and underworked and have been for far too long. They think they can get away with doing what they want which lets be honest, we have very much nurtured. We haven't played like a team in the top half of the league for at least 2 years now and have been saved by having squads that cost 5-10x the amount of most other teams in the league and having players that can generally, over 90 minutes create something special a few times.

Well. I’m not sure they are «men». At my company we have hardly any personell with senior responsibilty or titles below the age of 30. I consider most of these juniors and are operative specialists — some of them are very very good and will grow to becomme very good leaders. Most of senior leaders are from 35 and up. I think that is the norm in most competence based companys.

Add to that, most of these footballers dont have any formative experience such as the military or the universitys provide. Pretty much all of them has been in the «football buble» since they where 15-16.There can of course be some formative factors in handling the pressure and in the experience playing st an elite club, but I dont think it makes them «grown ass men» — that dont need proper leadership. Remember these players dont make their own scheduels, they are told when to train, how to train, when to meet before games, when to eat, what to eat, when to sleep and they dont even wash their training cloths. That does something to your state of mind and your sense of responsibility.

When it commes to the money. When you pass an certain amunt, lets say 2 million pounds, its not very likely that two or ten millions£ more make you a better footballer or a more mature person.

So, yeah. Ragnicks leadership and his ability to get buyin to his ideas are make or break.

 

[LazyGoal]

Hold strong lads, the bad eggs in the squad will be briefing journos and agents in bid to destabilise the club further.

Support the manager, he will be here long after the negative ones have left.

Sorry, I dont think that is the case at all. He is interim. 5 more games and this will look a lot worse. Please bookmark.

 

[Siezard]

Just get another manager in. It's obvious Ralf isn't even interested in staying long term as manager or that he has the energy to be one. He 99% chance won't be staying for the long term so it's best for the next manager to bring his philosophy and tactics in first so United can shine next season.

 

[horsechoker]

Just get another manager in. It's obvious Ralf won't be staying for the long term so it's best for the next manager to bring his philosophy and tactics in first so United can shine next season.

Who should we get who would come now and be up to the job?

 

[Jippy]

Its not the mess you make it out to be. I looked it up. You are right on the first point with the smallest of margins, but that was not your point was it? After last season, Ole had managed 168 games (big dataset) for us and was just one point behind Klopp on his first 168 games. I guess this fall went in Klopps favor with some 10-20 points more.

Anyhow, overall Ole did well, but he failed to win a trophy (on the 10th penalty kick), he had the worst of luck in all cup draws, broke the PL away record and there was a togetherness in the squad. We got 2nd and 3rd. But, l’m not making the case here that he should have stayed the way things devloped over that 6 week period.

Now Ragnick is here as an interim, and he will not be here with resposibillity after that. The games under Ragnick has been bad, and the stats lie becouse its such a small dataset that are not representative of the leauge or the CL. We have played the worst teams in the leauge. And by all accounts the team has taken a turn for the even worse both on and off the pitch. My point here is that Ragnick would have lost all his games so far if we had played above avarage teams. Add to that the off field noise that is bubbeling, we are now somehow worse of than with Ole. That calls for big qustionemarks over his approch to his managment at our club.

Ragnick will not be above the next manager, and all of you need to understand just that. The consequens of that is that its not possible for him to «make the team ready» for a new manager when it commes to formation and system of play. Unless there is allready an agreement with a new manager and they have plan toghether. This looks not to be the case at the moment.

So what have Ragnick to play for:
• he has been in charge of 5 PL games. He took over at 14 games. He has been in charge for about 30% of our season so far.
• he has 19 PL left games = 57 points.
• we have now 31 points and can reach 88
• we need +70 to get CL. This means we can loose 18 points from the last 19 games.
• we still have CL, which we worked very hard for last year
• and we have the FA cup.

Now, how on earth can he be a interim manager worth his salt, and football consultant worth keeping, if he cant work with this challange — with a squad that has finished top four the last two years in a row and was in the EL final?

The narrative on here is that we should disregard all of that becouse the players are not good enuogh, when they clearly are.

Ragnick innsist on a advanced 4-2-2-2 like a stubborn fool. The system doesnt suit our players and and will take time and different players to work. Anyone can see. And to throw this whole season under the bus under the exuse to make the team ready for a new manager, which we even dont know who is yet — with 4222— is in my book not proper thinking. There is close to zero managers out there who play 4222 like Ragnick, and with good reasons. So how does that work with setting us up for anything but Ragnick?

So, maybe Ragnick is just a one trick pony? And he want the job for himself.

Anyhow, this leaves us with these alternatives:
1. As-is: continue with Ragnick on interim, new manager from next season
2. Hire Ragnik as a permanent manager
3. Fire Ragnick as an interim and hire a new permanent manager or a new interim manager

From what I can see. Alternativ 1 is not working and we must do something very soon. I’m fine with either alternative 2 or 3

So after slating him, you'd be happy if he's made permanent manager? That was an unexpected twist at the end.

Not to be a pedant but it's Rangnick.

 

[LazyGoal]

So after slating him, you'd be happy if he's made permanent manager? That was an unexpected twist at the end.

Not to be a pedant but it's Rangnick.

Thnx - Rangnick. Got it. My point is. If we are going to throw away an entire season, we better be in it for the long run. I dont think we can be a little bit pregnant with this man.

 

[macheda14]

Its not the mess you make it out to be. I looked it up. You are right on the first point with the smallest of margins, but that was not your point was it? After last season, Ole had managed 168 games (big dataset) for us and was just one point behind Klopp on his first 168 games. I guess this fall went in Klopps favor with some 10-20 points more.

Anyhow, overall Ole did well, but he failed to win a trophy (on the 10th penalty kick), he had the worst of luck in all cup draws, broke the PL away record and there was a togetherness in the squad. We got 2nd and 3rd. But, l’m not making the case here that he should have stayed the way things devloped over that 6 week period.

Now Ragnick is here as an interim, and he will not be here with resposibillity after that. The games under Ragnick has been bad, and the stats lie becouse its such a small dataset that are not representative of the leauge or the CL. We have played the worst teams in the leauge. And by all accounts the team has taken a turn for the even worse both on and off the pitch. My point here is that Ragnick would have lost all his games so far if we had played above avarage teams. Add to that the off field noise that is bubbeling, we are now somehow worse of than with Ole. That calls for big qustionemarks over his approch to his managment at our club.

Ragnick will not be above the next manager, and all of you need to understand just that. The consequens of that is that its not possible for him to «make the team ready» for a new manager when it commes to formation and system of play. Unless there is allready an agreement with a new manager and they have plan toghether. This looks not to be the case at the moment.

So what have Ragnick to play for:
• he has been in charge of 5 PL games. He took over at 14 games. He has been in charge for about 30% of our season so far.
• he has 19 PL left games = 57 points.
• we have now 31 points and can reach 88
• we need +70 to get CL. This means we can loose 18 points from the last 19 games.
• we still have CL, which we worked very hard for last year
• and we have the FA cup.

Now, how on earth can he be a interim manager worth his salt, and football consultant worth keeping, if he cant work with this challange — with a squad that has finished top four the last two years in a row and was in the EL final?

The narrative on here is that we should disregard all of that becouse the players are not good enuogh, when they clearly are.

Ragnick innsist on a advanced 4-2-2-2 like a stubborn fool. The system doesnt suit our players and and will take time and different players to work. Anyone can see. And to throw this whole season under the bus under the exuse to make the team ready for a new manager, which we even dont know who is yet — with 4222— is in my book not proper thinking. There is close to zero managers out there who play 4222 like Ragnick, and with good reasons. So how does that work with setting us up for anything but Ragnick?

So, maybe Ragnick is just a one trick pony? And he want the job for himself.

Anyhow, this leaves us with these alternatives:
1. As-is: continue with Ragnick on interim, new manager from next season
2. Hire Ragnik as a permanent manager
3. Fire Ragnick as an interim and hire a new permanent manager or a new interim manager

From what I can see. Alternativ 1 is not working and we must do something very soon. I’m fine with either alternative 2 or 3

Ok 1, it wasn’t a 6 week period that was Ole’s downfall it was a decline in form since March. That culminated in a 6 week period of absolute shit.

2, Why do you ignore the reality that Rangnick has up until this week had next to no time to actually work with the players on the training ground in any actionable way?

3, No matter who the next manager is, it is near to 100% nailed on that they will be playing with a pressing style. We have not done that for 3 years. Rangnick’s formation will differ from whoever we choose, but in reality by preparing the team to press as a unit he will be setting them up for the next manager.

4, the noises coming out of the club are that the players are finding trainin oppressive and that he’s read some of them the riot act. I think that’s an issue with them. The biggest issue is that he lost Carrick and McKenna who for all intents and purposes, whilst they were still inexperienced, were talented coaches who had long standing relationships with the players. Now we have an entirely new coaching staff (and possibly a worse one at that due to us not being able to find anyone willing to take a 6 month job).

5, Southampton play 4-2-2-2 and with their very limited resources look a good team, just inconsistent. However the biggest one is bloody Chelsea played 4-2-2-2 against Spurs during the week and absolutely played them off the park.

6, we saw how the system can work for 30 minutes against place and small bits of the game against Burnley. If the players just bought into it and bloody did the running and weren’t misplacing easy passes then it will be a strong enough system to see us out to the end of the season and into top 4.

Of your three options only the first one is the way to go. Give him more than bloody 6-10 days of training before you routinely call it a failure. Option 2 is only the right option if we end up finishing 3rd and win the CL and FA cup. Option 3 is just bloody stupid. There are no permanent managers out there (as we’ve seen, and also the only one that was out there is losing to Morecambe). And getting in a new interim is fecking dumb.

Stick with Ralf (if by mid Feb we see no improvement then yeh I’d be staring to get worried), have him properly assess the quality of our squad and their mentality. Arnold is delegating all footballing matters to Fletcher and Murtough. Murtough loves Rangnick and will definitely be asking for his expertise. The next 2 years Fletcher and Murtough work closely with Rangnick and ensure the footballing decisions are made by football people.

 

[stoinz]

There is close to zero managers out there who play 4222 like Ragnick, and with good reasons. So how does that work with setting us up for anything but Ragnick?

I do agree Ole did better than it was made out but there were lots of problems too which we should not ignore.

I think Chelsea played 4-2-2-2 just recently and I really rate Tuchel. You assume we would have loss if we played better teams but we didn't and we wont' know. I'm assuming we would have won most of them if we played better teams because it would be easier to motivate our players. But its just our assumptions. We cannot take it as fact.

For the off-field noises, again just our assumptions, I'm am sure there are unrest and unhappiness but not be as bad as the media made out.

RR since he came in:
1. Has tried to implement more training
2. Drop most of the undroppable except maybe DGG, MCT and Ronaldo (which he said cos they deserve to play - which to me tells me more about the players that are not playing).
3. Gave chances to quite a number of fringe players.

So IF and a big BIG IF there are unrest due to RR's management, I can only think it is due to the extra training. And if that is the case, then I'm happy for us to clear out these players. But if the unrest is not due to RR's management of them, then isn't it unfair to turn on him so early? Anyone coming in now will have the same issues.

RR is not perfect but I think sometimes we also have to be a little bit realistic in our expectations. There are a lot of things I want but doesn't I can have them.

Rangnick coming here mid season is a result of an accident which was Ole being sacked. Nobody expected at the start of the season for Ole to lose his job. Then there is the question of what is available out there. Realistically we have only 3 options , continue with the coaching staff until end of year season (but Carrick did mentioned he wasn't interested), get in an interim or bring in a permanent from the pool of available managers.

Most fans then didn't want the existing coaching staffs to stay on as they were/are deemed part of the reason why performances weren't good. We probably couldn't get the manager we want for long term and decided to bring in an interim while we cool our heads and make the best decision for the next manager. Out of the pool of interim that are available or getable, non of them are possibly our first choice for long term appointment. For me he is the best possible interim.

Yes football isn't the best but isn't that was what we should expect when all of us wanted 'coaching' and a tactical approach? Both takes time to implement and much harder when you have a bunch of demoralized players. Does this means we have failed, or we should just give up the minute we have some bad results? This isn't the matrix, when you can just put in some codes and the whole team starts playing like prime Barcelona.

 

[Salford_Red83]

Sorry, I dont think that is the case at all. He is interim. 5 more games and this will look a lot worse. Please bookmark.

You know he will be here for 2 more years after this season right?

He will appoint the new manager, he will buy and sell players, he is beginning to get a good idea of who the bag eggs are.

 

[Hansi Fick]

You know he will be here for 2 more years after this season right?

He will appoint the new manager, he will buy and sell players, he is beginning to get a good idea of who the bag eggs are.

He really won't. He will be a consultant.

 

[DSG]

The ideas of Moyes, LvG, Jose or Ole didn't translate into performances on the pitch either!

They never will if we don't give them time, and time means two or three seasons, not two or three months. What we must do is stop chopping and changing styles, and get the backroom/boardroom teams right, so that there is a continuous cycle of sound footballing decisions being made to support the manager

Moyes and LvG had bad ideas. Jose imploded after his 2nd season, like he usually does. Ole, in my opinion, helped this club immensely, brought a lot of talent into the squad, but was a bit conservative tactically and didn’t have an over-arching philosophy that we needed to take us to true contenders.

Ralf is an interim manager, so whether you like it or not, he’s only here for 5 more months. I really respect his ideas, but managing a squad full of stars is another thing. Seriously, he’s won nothing, but when you look at the likes of Varane, Ronaldo, Pogba, etc… they’ve won everything.

Having great ideas and being an innovator is one thing. Managing a squad of cynical veterans is another. You say we should stop chopping and changing, but there is literally hundreds of millions of pounds at stake with CL qualification.

 

[TrolledAfford]

Just get another manager in. It's obvious Ralf isn't even interested in staying long term as manager or that he has the energy to be one. He 99% chance won't be staying for the long term so it's best for the next manager to bring his philosophy and tactics in first so United can shine next season.

He's very frustrating, seems to just harrumph about everything or whine without offering much of a solution when interviewed, as though the questions are unfair. He shouldn't be judged on just five games (another five and we'll know more, plus it's almost irrelevant since he'll be gone) but leaving aside results (!) he doesn't seem to have the right attitude to be capable of imposing his will on these players, from the little we've seen of him.

It seems his tactlessness and lack of punch is creating a divisive power vacuum that will be there as an extra problem for the new permanent manager, on top of everything else.

He publicly criticises the players in a way that just insults but doesn't motivate, which is just going to create more problems for him (see his interview re. Greenwood's substitution vs. Wolves) and doesn't seem to have the awareness to realise his leadership style is going to lead to alienation and (if you believe any of the stories) doesn't seem to be commanding respect.

It seems like poor man-management and human intelligence, so perhaps tactics and other football matters are his strong point - it would explain why he seems to be more suited to director of football-style roles.

He's clearly a bright bloke but he seems not to have a broad enough range of methods for dealing with different kinds of people. All of this doesn't bode well given the disgruntled players in our squad and the number of massive egos he has to balance.

 

[redpatron]

Hold strong lads, the bad eggs in the squad will be briefing journos and agents in bid to destabilise the club further.

Support the manager, he will be here long after the negative ones have left.

he's gone in May. People really need to understand what a consultant is, he's has no official power in the club after May. He's nothing more than a paid personnel pundit for the club.

 

[Reapersoul20]

he's gone in May. People really need to understand what a consultant is, he's has no official power in the club after May. He's nothing more than a paid personnel pundit for the club.

Depends entirely on the power he is afforded as a consultant. Consultants can be stand-in CEOs.

 

[Foxbatt]

Good Heavens. I can't believe that some people are after RR so quickly?

 

[ROFLUTION]

Keep calm and support Ralf.

Took Klopp well over 3 months to get anything out of Liverpool and progress his ideas.

 

[LazyGoal]

Its not the mess you make it out to be. I looked it up. You are right on the first point with the smallest of margins, but that was not your point was it? After last season, Ole had managed 168 games (big dataset) for us and was just one point behind Klopp on his first 168 games. I guess this fall went in Klopps favor with some 10-20 points more.

Anyhow, overall Ole did well, but he failed to win a trophy (on the 10th penalty kick), he had the worst of luck in all cup draws, broke the PL away record and there was a togetherness in the squad. We got 2nd and 3rd. But, l’m not making the case here that he should have stayed the way things devloped over that 6 week period.

Now Rangnick is here as an interim, and he will not be here with resposibillity after that. The games under Rangnick has been bad, and the stats lie becouse its such a small dataset that are not representative of the leauge or the CL. We have played the worst teams in the leauge. And by all accounts the team has taken a turn for the even worse both on and off the pitch. My point here is that Rangnick would have lost all his games so far if we had played above avarage teams. Add to that the off field noise that is bubbeling, we are now somehow worse of than with Ole. That calls for big qustionemarks over his approch to his managment at our club.

Rangnick will not be above the next manager, and all of you need to understand just that. The consequens of that is that its not possible for him to «make the team ready» for a new manager when it commes to formation and system of play. Unless there is allready an agreement with a new manager and they have plan toghether. This looks not to be the case at the moment.

So what have Rangnick to play for:
• he has been in charge of 5 PL games. He took over at 14 games. He has been in charge for about 30% of our season so far.
• he has 19 PL left games = 57 points.
• we have now 31 points and can reach 88
• we need +70 to get CL. This means we can loose 18 points from the last 19 games.
• we still have CL, which we worked very hard for last year
• and we have the FA cup.

Now, how on earth can he be a interim manager worth his salt, and football consultant worth keeping, if he cant work with this challange — with a squad that has finished top four the last two years in a row and was in the EL final?

The narrative on here is that we should disregard all of that becouse the players are not good enuogh, when they clearly are.

Rangnick innsist on a advanced 4-2-2-2 like a stubborn fool. The system doesnt suit our players and and will take time and different players to work. Anyone can see. And to throw this whole season under the bus under the exuse to make the team ready for a new manager, which we even dont know who is yet — with 4222— is in my book not proper thinking. There is close to zero managers out there who play 4222 like Rangnick, and with good reasons. So how does that work with setting us up for anything but Rangnick?

So, maybe Rangnick is just a one trick pony? And he want the job for himself.

Anyhow, this leaves us with these alternatives:
1. As-is: continue with Rangnick on interim, new manager from next season
2. Hire Ragnik as a permanent manager
3. Fire Rangnick as an interim and hire a new permanent manager or a new interim manager

From what I can see. Alternativ 1 is not working and we must do something very soon. I’m fine with either alternative 2 or 3

As I said. But, most of you would not have it.

 

[horsechoker]

Unless his changes behind the scenes bear fruit then his spell here will have been a disaster. I've defended him a lot but in the end this probably not much better than Ole would've done

 

[Pickle85]

As I said. But, most of you would not have it.

I'm honestly not sure what point you think you're proving here

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Ralf being bad doesn’t mean OgS was good though.

 

[Carl]

As I said. But, most of you would not have it.

Most just probably couldn't be arsed to read all that. I don't spend that much time reading actual articles, so definitely won't when it's LazyGoal from the Internet.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Ralf being bad doesn’t mean OgS was good though.

Well, clearly he was better than many gave him credit for. Either Ole was a good manager and these players are shite, or these players are very good and Ole wasn't getting them to their potential. Either way, Ragnick comes out looking like a shocking manager. And either way, Ten Hag has a pretty easy job with expectations so low.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Ralf being bad doesn’t mean OgS was good though.

Ole’s far worse he’s created this culture and enabled these cnuts to act like this. By the time Ralf came in they were already too far gone.

 

[horsechoker]

What did Ralf do to Africa?

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Ole’s far worse he’s created this culture and enabled these cnuts to act like this. By the time Ralf came in they were already to far gone.

Nice job of deflecting all the blame back onto Ole

 

[Red Royal]

Unless his changes behind the scenes bear fruit then his spell here will have been a disaster. I've defended him a lot but in the end this probably not much better than Ole would've done

Probably worse

 

[VidaRed]

Rangnicks work will be visible next season when this squad is gutted.

Good on rangnick for exposing these lot instead of shielding them.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Well, clearly he was better than many gave him credit for. Either Ole was a good manager and these players are shite, or these players are very good and Ole wasn't getting them to their potential. Either way, Rangnick comes out looking like a shocking manager. And either way, Ten Hag has a pretty easy job with expectations so low.

It’s not either or though. Both Ralf & OgS can be bad managers. People like yourself talking up OgSs reign are exactly standards are so low, neither are good enough to manage the club.

 

[lsd]

Ole’s far worse he’s created this culture and enabled these cnuts to act like this. By the time Ralf came in they were already to far gone.

I'll say this for Ralf you have to admire the way he has people constantly absolving him off any blame for the sheer ineptitude of his job at United.

He has been beyond useless yet still came out smelling of roses and landed a cushy international job as well

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Nice job of deflecting all the blame back onto Ole

I’m not deflecting all the blame on Ole but he certainly takes a lot of it. I genuinely don’t think anyone who came in for 6 months would’ve got a tune out of these players.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Nice job of deflecting all the blame back onto Ole

Why does one have to take more blame than the other? OgS was bad, sacked. Ralf has been bad, leaving.

On to EtH, I don’t see how anyone can still be hung up on the OgS reign. . .

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

I'll say this for Ralf you have to admire the way he has people constantly absolving him off any blame for the sheer ineptitude of his job at United.

He has been beyond useless yet still came out smelling of roses and landed a cushy international job as well

As I said to someone else I genuinely don’t think anyone who came in for 6 months would’ve got a tune out of these players. It’s been clear for months they don’t give a feck.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Did not watch it today but the players had given up since the loss to AM in the Champions League. I stopped watching after that for the first time in my life.

Worrying though is that they could do the same to ten hag. Bunch of prima donnas.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Why does one have to take more blame than the other? OgS was bad, sacked. Ralf has been bad, leaving.

On to EtH, I don’t see how anyone can still be hung up on the OgS reign. . .

Tell that to those people still blaming him for everything and making out his whole reign was shite, newsflash it wasn't! Agreed he had to go and I'm confident ETH wll make a big difference but christ the deflection from the crap job Rangnick has done is staggering.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

As I said to someone else I genuinely don’t think anyone who came in for 6 months would’ve got a tune out of these players. It’s been clear for months they don’t give a feck.

I guarantee you Conte would have pissed top four and I didn't even want him because again he's not fit to be a Utd manager. Its nowhere near as hard a job as made out.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Rangnicks work will be visible next season when this squad is gutted.

Good on rangnick for exposing these lot instead of shielding them.

Even so, that does not excuse him for not playing WHOEVER has the desire to play even if that means playing the kids. I think we already get the point as to who is not fit to wear the shirt. There is no need to emphasize it anymore.

Whoever from the U23s is not eligible for the FA Youth Cup final on Wednesday had and have to play instead of those unprofessional idiots. THAT is on Ralf.

 

[VidaRed]

Even so, that does not excuse him for not playing WHOEVER has the desire to play even if that means playing the kids. I think we already get the point as to who is not fit to wear the shirt. There is no need to emphasize it anymore.

Whoever from the U23s is not eligible for the FA Youth Cup final on Wednesday had and have to play instead of those unprofessional idiots. THAT is on Ralf.

You want him to put the kids future on the line with these downtooling lot ?

So ralf is shit because he doesn't play the kids while the players are given the free pass for downtooling ?

I want ralf to keep on playing these downtooling players so fans like you get it in there head that this squad needs gutting because these players are not fit to continue with utd.

Good on ralf, I'd happily take another two 4 nil defeats if even a fraction more fans turn on the players.

 

[LazyGoal]

I'm honestly not sure what point you think you're proving here

I said very early that Rangnick did not coach or setup the team as a interim manager with focus on short term results, and becouse of that we should get rid of him. Thats the point.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Did not watch it today but the players had given up since the loss to AM in the Champions League. I stopped watching after that for the first time in my life.

Worrying though is that they could do the same to ten hag. Bunch of prima donnas.

That’s my biggest damn worry going into next season. There is just too much player power at this club and the board are just happy to sit back and allow it as long as it makes them money.

I just hope Ten Hag is given full control and power to do what he wants and fully stamp his authority and if wants to get rid of player x, y, z then the board fully back him. Also if he wants to bring a certain player in, the board back him as well otherwise we are just back to square 1 all over again.