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Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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Can some one explain this one to me im a bit lost?
as far as i can tell is Russia hacked some emails and leaked them? which is obviously not great! and by leaking these emails they effected the course of the election.
I mean it does seem the political equivalent of finding out some one you didn't like cheated on their partner, so you tell everyone one, so they break up, then their is an investigation into how people found out, rather then concentrating on the fact that they cheated on their partner.
Plus its not like America arn't famous for spying on people and other countries as well as tampering in other countries politics. So it's a bit ridiculous that they are anoid about it.
Surely the lesson hear is don't give people bad things to leak and they wont get leaked, am I missing something?
as far as i can tell is Russia hacked some emails and leaked them? which is obviously not great! and by leaking these emails they effected the course of the election.
I mean it does seem the political equivalent of finding out some one you didn't like cheated on their partner, so you tell everyone one, so they break up, then their is an investigation into how people found out, rather then concentrating on the fact that they cheated on their partner.
Plus its not like America arn't famous for spying on people and other countries as well as tampering in other countries politics. So it's a bit ridiculous that they are anoid about it.
Surely the lesson hear is don't give people bad things to leak and they wont get leaked, am I missing something?
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thank you that explains it perfectly.
They also kept the ball and burst it didn't give it back. Bad children.
They did much, much more than that. They hacked and faked US identities to set up complex social media programs to pretend to be US political groups, and used mass targeted Facebook and Twitter campaigns aimed directly at people they knew would be most effected by those particular messages. One example being their Twitter account pretending to be an official Tennessee GOP account that had 100k followers and was retweeted by Trump Jr multiple times.
This stuff is absolutely deadly to political campaigning. They were putting out fake or misleading messages to tens of millions of people, gradually changing their beliefs and opinions over the many months of the campaign.
so they hacked some emails and set up some fake social media accounts?
I guess it's like saying that a couple of planes just happened to have crashed into two skyscrapers.
well No, its completely diffrent, you can't compare getting some people to spread some fake news that most politicians do anyway, and leaking some real emails that The Hilary campaign were stupid enough to write, to flying planes into the two towers.
Im not in anyway defending what Russia did, it was wrong, but i just think America shouldn't be getting on their High horse considering their history messing with other countries politics and the recent years revelations about their online activities
What was in those emails that was so stupid?
Raj Shah lying about the Russian indictments
Whether they're hypocritical or not is another question and completely besides the point.
The US has an election process which has rules and those rules appear to have been broken. Breaking those rules is a criminal offence according to US law, therefore their justice department is investigating the circumstances so they can establish what happened with a view to protecting their democratic system so it doesn't happen again. They are also bringing charges to those that have broken the law to deter them or others from repeating it.
The hypocrisy is beside the point, their country, their democracy, their laws so they're going to follow them.
I'm struggling to see what the issue is with that. If anything it shows that the acting President wanted to be careful about how much intelligence was shared with a transition team suspected by the intelligence community of being in bed with the subject of their investigation.
Time is making it all too clear just how well placed that caution was.
A more sinister way of looking at this would be the suggestion that Obama and Rice knew more about the Trump-Russia connection from the IC, then they were willing to "memorialize" in the above email.
I think I'm missing something here, why does that make it sinister? Because the intelligence they were privy to must have been acquired via questionable methods?
Nothing sinister about it. Grassley and Graham are just on a fishing expedition. If Obama and Rice knew deeply classified information about Trump and Russia, then it was a logical line of reasoning to think twice about what to reveal to Trump. I suppose Grassley and Graham might want to know what that was and if nothing, why Rice added the line to her email.
OK makes sense, it just seems to me they are trying to aid the "deep state" narrative of democrats having secrets with the Intelligence community. The reality of it is the President and Deputy AG were doing their jobs, likely on advice from the very people who brief them.
@Eboue
On a serious note though, it might have been an effective tactic as Stein received over 1 million more votes compared to 2012.
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Incredibly effective strategy tbh.
They still have countless fake profiles on twitter and instagram pretending to be black people.
The Kardashians, for example.
Never know with that guy and his intel background. He could send over a handful of random citizens as stooges.
With any luck Jill Stein will get in trouble too.
I guess, that explains the shitshow that was r/the_donald
There are marketing companies all over the world which employ people to write fake reviews in favour of their products on Amazon for example or run clickbait social media accounts to generate ad revenue. Trump or the policies trump stands favour are hugely controversial (building a wall and letting Mexico pay for it, locking up Hilary etc.), therefore easy to use as a clickbait commercial marketing scheme via fake online virtual persona (sometimes real US persona).
Point 4 of the indictment:
Point 10d of the indictment:
Point 95 of the indictment:
US establishment got angry that their favoured candidate didn't get elected, spent millions of dollars to reveal one of thousands such marketing schemes by a 13 men Russian company (which was already operating in 2014) and claim that the American voters are gullible and vote according to some Facebook memes instead of voting whom the mass media told them to vote for.
So if you are some sort of foreign political blogger expressing opinions during the next US presidential elections using and paying for US infrastructure be careful to register as Foreign Agent and with Federal Election Commission, otherwise you could be indicted for "Conspiracy to Defraud the United States".
Also be scared of Russians, always. A 13 men Russian company can regime-change the United States after all.
Maybe I forgot something.
Shots fired.
Mueller doesn't appear to have that problem. They must be shitting themselves in the White House.
he' s cracking upI don’t think so, it’s just more of the same from him.
He is definitely losing the plot big style.
Yeah, this all sounds pretty deranged even by his extremely low standards.