Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

Did it? That's not how I remember. I remember hellish fury when Bernie lost the nomination to Hillary and acceptance of her massive, massive flaws (as well as the DNC's) when she lost.

We remember things differently, so.

(There was an element of what you described but the general theme of the thread was ridiculing Trump and treating the election like it was a procession for Clinton, with the added ingredient of near-bullying like behaviour towards anyone who dared post pro-Trump content.)
 
Who's exaggerating? There's no need to exaggerate.

That's the brilliant/crazy thing about it; he has actually managed to keep outdoing himself consistently for the entirety of his presidency. It's not just a single car wreck, it's like the owner keeps getting back in and insists on driving head on into oncoming traffic.

Edit - I'm definitely posting irrelevant bollocks now and will refrain from making any further non-investigation posts.
 
The thread is getting sidetracked but it's like you only see things in black and white.
Voting for Hillary and hoping she wins doesn't mean you're in complete support of her or her policies.
Not like she was in a one-horse race.

Many Sanders supporters actually jumped ship to Trump's camp after the Primaries. They shared quite a few common policies after all. There is always an alternative if you don't like a candidate or his/her policies.
 
We remember things differently, so.

(There was an element of what you described but the general theme of the thread was ridiculing Trump and treating the election like it was a procession for Clinton, with the added ingredient of near-bullying like behaviour towards anyone who dared post pro-Trump content.)

You didn't post in that thread. Why not? You seem to have quite strong opinions about it. Go and have another read of it there. I'd bet if we did a keyword analysis of it that the vast majority of Clinton posts in there would fall into two categories: outright hate for her and grudging "bleurgh but better than yer man" tolerance.

"An element", i.e. exactly what I said and the opposite of what you said. "Treating it like a procession" is a million miles from loving her.

Take this back to that thread if you like, this one is about the Russia Investigation.
 
The best thing I find about this thread, and the many others here which are simply anti-Trump circlejerks, is the impression many posters hold in which they are oblivious to the fact that there are liberals not at all happy with the direction of the DNC (and the progressive movement as a whole but that's another matter for another day) and the pretence that all is fine and dandy in Democrat World.

We lost to a TV show host with ZERO political experience. We chose an awful, awful candidate to rival him. And rather than owning those facts, taking stock and building a platform for 2020, we're projecting all our anger onto Trump and inadvertently giving him and his administration what they crave: universal, 24/7, prime-time attention. Are we expecting a different outcome this time around or something?

How on earth have you got that from this forum? :lol:
 
You didn't post in that thread. Why not? You seem to have quite strong opinions about it. Go and have another read of it there. I'd bet if we did a keyword analysis of it that the vast majority of Clinton posts in there would fall into two categories: outright hate for her and grudging "bleurgh but better than yer man" tolerance.

No, I didn't post in the thread as I was on a posting hiatus at the time but I did read it every day from late summer 2016 onwards, as well as following it sporadically beforehand.

I already acknowledged that there was an element of what you described but the overwhelming feeling I got from the thread was, like the coverage in the U.S. at large across all platforms last year, a distinct sense of superiority from the Clinton side and almost degradation of anything and anyone Trump related. The painting of them being 'stupid hicks' who don't know what's good for them is among the most illiberal and unprogressive stances I've ever encountered and I can't believe it wasn't addressed sooner. Then again, when your chosen leader is dishing out incredibly harmful 'Deplorable' tropes from her fundraising platform, I guess it seems it's okay for you* do so.


*impersonal you
 
Pretty clear from this that it is Trump's people who'll be indicted tomorrow, despite assertions to the contrary. It's certainly what Trump's own legal team are priming themselves for.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/28/us/politics/ty-cobb-trump-lawyer-new-washington.html
WASHINGTON — President Trump is confident that neither his former campaign chairman nor his former national security adviser has damaging information about him to offer prosecutors, a White House lawyer told The New York Times.

“The president has no concerns in terms of any impact, as to what happens to them, on his campaign or on the White House,” the lawyer, Ty Cobb, said in an interview on Thursday for The Times’s podcast “The New Washington.”

“He likes and respects Mr. Manafort and appreciates the work he did for him during the three months he was with the campaign. He likes General Flynn personally, but understands that they have their own path with the special counsel,” Mr. Cobb said. "I think he would be sad for them, as a friend and a former colleague, if the process results in punishment or indictments. But to the extent that that happens, that’s beyond his control.”
 
If the Trump camp was in the firing line on Monday, you can bet your bottom dollar Trump would be tweeting about Mueller's competency these past few weeks (as you guys call it, 'deflection'). There's been very, very little from Trump's camp so the obvious conclusion from that is they're content with what's on the horizon. We'll see on Monday, I guess.

Although not about Mueller specifically, there has been a down-right apocalyptic gaslighting performance in the past week about HC. The "obvious conclusion" is that Trump's lawyers have told him Mueller is off limits, given Trump's willingness to attack every other person who says or does anything remotely negative towards him.
 
Although not about Mueller specifically, there has been a down-right apocalyptic gaslighting performance in the past week about HC. The "obvious conclusion" is that Trump's lawyers have told him Mueller is off limits, given Trump's willingness to attack every other person who says or does anything remotely negative towards him.

Fair enough. I can see that being a possibility, too. However, when have we known Trump to listen to anyone, let alone his lawyers? :lol:
 
Fair enough. I can see that being a possibility, too. However, when have we known Trump to listen to anyone, let alone his lawyers? :lol:

That's a good point! Although we don't know, do we? What we're seeing could actually be the watered down version of Trump :lol:
 
No, I didn't post in the thread as I was on a posting hiatus at the time but I did read it every day from late summer 2016 onwards, as well as following it sporadically beforehand.

I already acknowledged that there was an element of what you described but the overwhelming feeling I got from the thread was, like the coverage in the U.S. at large across all platforms last year, a distinct sense of superiority from the Clinton side and almost degradation of anything and anyone Trump related. The painting of them being 'stupid hicks' who don't know what's good for them is among the most illiberal and unprogressive stances I've ever encountered and I can't believe it wasn't addressed sooner. Then again, when your chosen leader is dishing out incredibly harmful 'Deplorable' tropes from her fundraising platform, I guess it seems it's okay for you* do so.


*impersonal you

Once again - not American. Not a Hillary fan. It's funny that you do that in a post specifically about not tarring a whole group with the same brush.

In your sporadic reading, you may have missed the many discussions we had about topics such as this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...american-politics-holds-secret-trumps-success
 
I think it's mad that some can't understand how people would so blindly follow leaders who are so idiotic, stupid and moronic such as in North Korea with such ridiculous levels of blind faith.. when over 50% did the same thing with Trump.
 
Yeah, I read that at the time and felt it was very good. This video was also excellent from the time:



And exactly that video was also discussed. You may even have got it from that thread that you say didn't discuss such things :rolleyes:

Can we get back to discussing the Russia Investigation please? This is just rehashing what was gone through in the election thread and you can feel free to bump that if you want to talk more about it.
 
This is a thread about the Trump/Russia investigation, isn't it?

Desperate attempts to distract and point to something else, and talk about something else whilst all the time pretending doing so isn't a distraction, is almost comical.
 
Who's exaggerating? There's no need to exaggerate.

indeed. Trump is that bad there is no need to exagg
This is a thread about the Trump/Russia investigation, isn't it?

Desperate attempts to distract and point to something else, and talk about something else whilst all the time pretending doing so isn't a distraction, is almost comical.

Plus there are separate threads on Clinton and 'Democrats in opposition' on this forum.
 
So to conclude: the timing of the charges are suspect, for some reason. And something about Hillary and a year old video about how people in West Virginia were potentially voting for Trump in the last election. Oh and Obama sometimes played golf.

But as long as we're not deliberately trying to distract from the issue or anything.
 
So to conclude: the timing of the charges are suspect, for some reason. And something about Hillary and a year old video about how people in West Virginia were potentially voting for Trump in the last election. Oh and Obama sometimes played golf.

But as long as we're not deliberately trying to distract from the issue or anything.


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
So to conclude: the timing of the charges are suspect, for some reason. And something about Hillary and a year old video about how people in West Virginia were potentially voting for Trump in the last election. Oh and Obama sometimes played golf.

But as long as we're not deliberately trying to distract from the issue or anything.

Buchan isn't a Trump fan, remember, he justs like to jump to his defence in every single thread whenever he comes up.
 
Buchan isn't a Trump fan, remember, he justs like to jump to his defence in every single thread whenever he comes up.
Because we’re an echo chamber of Hillary-supporting fanatics who blindly follow the direction of the DNC.
 
Can't wait to see what spin Hannity, Fox & Sycophants, Dobbs, etc. comes up with.

I think it's mad that some can't understand how people would so blindly follow leaders who are so idiotic, stupid and moronic such as in North Korea with such ridiculous levels of blind faith.. when over 50% did the same thing with Trump.

Closer to 19% of the actual population, and 46% of the actual voting majority. Both were lower than Clinton's vote percentage.
 
hes building to declaring it a coup if they take him down, that is the obvious angle they are going.

About 60 million Americans will believe him too. He won't go without trying to start a civil war.
 
'Follow the money.'
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