Don't underestimate the power of increased regulatory scrutiny!
Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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Don't underestimate the power of increased regulatory scrutiny!
I mean, 41% of Democrats believing that is sure a lot, but from those numbers 66% of Republicans believe the same. There's not a lot of intellectual high ground to be had by them, here.
In fairness I think the best take away from this polling is the media framing of the investigation and also how people consume news.
He really is a class A prat. Hope she sticks him in jail.
His lawyers must be suicidal.
They have this uncomfortable arrogance and confidence that they're above the law.
They are above the law. Even if they get found guilty they will only get a slap on the wrist. They look after their own. If Jo Blogs did it he'd be nailed to the wall
Schiff is getting his teeth into this now. There’ll be no stopping him now.
I hate these kinds of statements. If there is irrefutable evidence of collusion, then the president of the US is indebted to an adversary and every additional minute he spends in the white house as chief decision maker is a danger to the country. Any congressman should act immediately to initiate proceedings of removal.
The evidence may be coming to them faster than they can deal with it because there seem to be more people spilling the beans and I’m sure intelligence information will be being collated as we speak. The more information you have the better chance you have of succeeding. There will be so many people involved.
Schiff is talking about the campaign and not just Trump himself. We've already been told Manafort shared raw polling data with a Russian; can't get more blatant than that. At this point it is not a matter of whether people in the campaign got help from Russia, it's whether Trump knew about it. If Trump used email he'd probably be facing charges by now.
I'd argue the bigger point is that even if there is direct proof of collusion, 35% of the population won't care, and a good chunk of the GOP will follow suit.
Except that the Dems know removing him from office will require overwhelming evidence to get the GOP Senate to take action. So rather than move quickly, the Dems are correctly incentives to continue gathering as much evidence as possible before proceeding.
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I don't know, I guess I still have faith in GOP acting in national interest if there is indeed an overwhelming evidence already.
Mueller, SDNY, and the various Dem committees that just started after the Dems took over are far from being done, so its best to wait until final reports are in. SDNY are of course not dealing with Russia collusion so much as the Trump Org's corruption, but all of that will be necessary to form a comprehensive view of Trump's corruption, prior to proceeding with impeachment.
That is a good way forward but how does one balance the risk of a compromised president doing something between now and then that might be against the national interest?
Kushner, with a hastily obtained security clearance, is already doing a lot of work for the Saudi government that no one seems to know and none of it appears to be documented or known to either the congress or the senate. There are reports coming out that the white house is planning to give nuclear technology to Saudis and knowing that the weapons sold to them eventually ended up in terrorist's hands, how does the governing body even let that thought metastasise without acting immediately?
I don't think anyone can afford to be quiet if there is insurmountable evidence already. You have to handicap the guilty parties as soon as possible to reduce collateral damage.
They don't have to be quiet, in fact the likes of Warner and Schiff have already called out malfeasance. They do however have to wait until the political conditions are in place before proceeding with any punitive actions...which with each day may not even happen since most politicians will simply punt by saying let the people decide in 2020. If Trump loses the election then he no longer has the Presidency to protect him against prosecution - since former Presidents are completely exposed, whereas sitting Presidents are somewhat shielded by DOJ policy.
That's all well and good but that doesn't help now does it? The point being that Trump and his family and a lot of his cabinet are causing untold amounts of damage, much of which could be irreversible or unknown for years and some of which could be catastrophic for the USA and even the rest of the world.
None of the damage he has done would be reversed by way of impeachment since Pence would simply continue a majority of Trump's policies. This is why the 2020 election is critical. If Trump somehow wins - lets say the House Dems successfully impeach, but the GOP Senate doesn't, thereby creating a persecution narrative that Trump can run on an win with next year, it would be far worse than simply allowing the public to vote him out next year and prosecute him after he's an ordinary citizen.
I get all that and that makes sense, but allowing it all to continue is sheer insanity imho.
While I could easily see this part happening, where the House impeaches but the Senate doesn't remove him, I can't realistically imagine a scenario where Mitch & Co would alsoalso a him to then run as the 2020 candidate. No matter the spin, the entire country will get wrapped up in everthing impeachment. A lot of major details that aren't now covered with laser focus will become all that the general public are inundated with for weeks and weeks. A narrative of who did what and when will be clearly laid out by Dems. In that case, I'd have to imagine McConnell tries to control of the party back from Trump. Walk away now and we won't allow you to go down in history, will be his offer.
Sounds like it may take the WH quite a while to provide the requested documents.
It's ultimately a political decision so it's timing is also political.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/judiciary-democrats-trump-probe-documents_n_5c7d3df8e4b0614614dcfb9c
See below for the full list of people and groups that received document requests from the committee:
See below for the full list of people and groups that received document requests from the committee:
- Alan Garten
- Alexander Nix
- Allen Weisselberg
- American Media Inc
- Anatoli Samochornov
- Andrew Intrater
- Annie Donaldson
- Brad Parscale
- Brittany Kaiser
- Cambridge Analytica
- Carter Page
- Columbus Nova
- Concord Management and Consulting
- Corey Lewandowski
- David Pecker
- Department of Justice
- Don McGahn
- Donald J Trump Revocable Trust
- Donald Trump Jr.
- Dylan Howard
- Eric Trump
- Erik Prince
- Federal Bureau of Investigation
- Felix Sater
- Flynn Intel Group
- General Services Administration
- George Nader
- George Papadopoulos
- Hope Hicks
- Irakly Kaveladze
- Jared Kushner
- Jason Maloni
- Jay Sekulow
- Jeff Sessions
- Jerome Corsi
- John Szobocsan
- Julian Assange
- Julian David Wheatland
- Keith Davidson
- KT McFarland
- Mark Corallo
- Matt Tait
- Matthew Calamari
- Michael Caputo
- Michael Cohen
- Michael Flynn
- Michael Flynn Jr.
- Paul Erickson
- Paul Manafort
- Peter Smith (Estate)
- Randy Credico
- Reince Priebus
- Rhona Graff
- Rinat Akhmetshin
- Rob Goldstone
- Roger Stone
- Ronald Lieberman
- Sam Nunberg
- SCL Group Limited
- Sean Spicer
- Sheri Dillon
- Stefan Passantino
- Steve Bannon
- Ted Malloch
- The White House
- Trump Campaign
- Trump Foundation
- Trump Organization
- Trump Transition
- Viktor Vekselberg
- Wikileaks
- 58th Presidential Inaugural Committee
- Christopher Bancroft Burnham
- Frontier Services Group
- J.D. Gordon
- Kushner Companies
- NRA
- Rick Gates
- Tom Barrack
- Tom Bossert
- Tony Fabrizio
The NYT daily podcast with Neal Katyal today is worth listening.
Got to wonder where Presidential Adviser Barbie is on that document request list
Knew there was someone missing. Kept looking but couldn’t work out who...apart from half the GOP senate.
At last!
Nadler and Schiff are rattling some cages.
Ted Lieu moving quickly and decisively. Letter is on the link.
No wonder Trump is frenzied today.
Ted Lieu moving quickly and decisively. Letter is on the link.
No wonder Trump is frenzied today.
Lock him up.
Lock him up.
Pretty sad that this is something that has to be said. Will still end up being ignored.
WH being uncooperative. Does indicate they may be hiding something.
No mention of the name Kushner in the WH reply.
shit son
Normally you'd hand them over stating you have nothing to hide, so I get why it looks suspect. I suspect they would be uncooperative regardless though, feeds into the general narrative...
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