Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

Damien said:
You're looking at it with rose-tinted glasses. Sessions 'offered his resignation' and was told to by Trump. It'll be same story with Rosenstein.
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Rosenstein has been leant on before and held out. He’s a Republican but he’s also a career politician and still has years left in him. If he’s a witness to obstruction of justice and he knows he would only be retaining his position while his superior carries out yet more obstruction of justice... it’s not going to do much for his career.

I’d bet good money he’s going to be called as a witness.
 
Pexbo said:
Would you not class “forcibly removing a microphone” from a journalist “silencing” them.

Acosta acted like journalists have acted since time began. There is other ways to deal with that sort of questioning.
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Men, we don't like Trump, but let's not be totally biased here.

Acosta asked a question, Trump replied, Acosta made his replica, Trump answered again, then suddenly Acosta makes an another question which had nothing to do with the first 2 questions, after Trump was done with him (again, this wasn't a debate, neither an one journo making questions, there was a hall full of journos). Then Trump says that no, he won't answer to him, Acosta continues speaking, Trump again doesn't answer and asks him to sit down, Acosta continues making questions, Trump does like he is leaving, only then the staff try to take the mic from Acosta (and no, there was hardly force used). Acosta doesn't back up, Trump goes full Trump and offends him.

On a room with Trump, somehow Acosta managed to be the biggest dick. That is some achievement.
 
Raees said:
Surely the strength of a constitution is that when it is under pressure from wannabe despots it comes to the fore and prevents that from happening. If the founding fathers were so intelligent surely they would have crafted the constitution to be more impregnable to such perversion.
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I’d have thought expecting some guys in the 1700’s to be able to write a constitution that works as they intended it to in the modern world is asking a bit much of them.
 
Damien said:
You're looking at it with rose-tinted glasses. Sessions 'offered his resignation' and was told to by Trump. It'll be same story with Rosenstein.
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I always wonder why in this case they accept to offer the resignation. Why is this 'getting both fired and fecked' better than just getting fired?!
 
Raees said:
Surely the strength of a constitution is that when it is under pressure from wannabe despots it comes to the fore and prevents that from happening. If the founding fathers were so intelligent surely they would have crafted the constitution to be more impregnable to such perversion.
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I don’t think anyone could’ve foreseen this when writing the Constitution.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
I don’t think anyone could’ve foreseen this when writing the Constitution.
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Really?

A corrupt President is propped up by the other two branches of power held by his own corrupt party?

You’ve got to be pretty naive to think this doesn’t happen.
 
Snowjoe said:
I’d have thought expecting some guys in the 1700’s to be able to write a constitution that works as they intended it to in the modern world is asking a bit much of them.
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Is it really a problem which only could originate in the modern world? The fact a president can nominate judicial picks or the fact a president has a say over any internal investigations of corruption? Is this a recent development or has it always been permitted through the constitution - but never abused ? The fact that the constitution permits that to happen not to mention the right to bear arms etc there’s many flaws which yes could have been foreseen from the outset.

The US needs constitutional reform as I personally don’t see a strict separation of powers - it seems to have relied heavily on hoping individuals believe in a separation of powers rather than ensuring it through legislature/regulatory barriers.
 
Pexbo said:
Rosenstein has been leant on before and held out. He’s a Republican but he’s also a career politician and still has years left in him. If he’s a witness to obstruction of justice and he knows he would only be retaining his position while his superior carries out yet more obstruction of justice... it’s not going to do much for his career.

I’d bet good money he’s going to be called as a witness.
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I hope you're right.

Revan said:
I always wonder why in this case they accept to offer the resignation. Why is this 'getting both fired and fecked' better than just getting fired?!
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Hmm not sure.

 
Pexbo said:
Really?

A corrupt President is propped up by the other two branches of power held by his own corrupt party?

You’ve got to be pretty naive to think this doesn’t happen.
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In the 1700’s? When the concept of a two party system wasn’t in mind?

Well, it sort of was... I’ll grant you that. But they installed mechanics to try to prevent it is what I’m saying.
 
Blaming the founding fathers is madness. Societies change and so do the constitutions. Even US constitution gets amended. It isn't a religious book which must not change.

Founding fathers created a system for that time. Blaming them for problems occurring 200 years later is absurd.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
In the 1700’s? When the concept of a two party system wasn’t in mind?

Well, it sort of was... I’ll grant you that. But they installed mechanics to try to prevent it is what I’m saying.
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Yeah, I appreciate that. Nothing is foolproof though, they put in the best system they could think of and for the best part of 300 years it worked.

The constitution is no more than the “newest testament” these days though. It’s something that has been carefully interpreted (read “manipulated”) for the last century. It’s held up to be a pure truth and the way American society must follow but in reality it’s guidelines drawn up when the world was a different place.

The reason it still exists and is protected in its current form today is because it benefits the most powerful and corrupt who have insured the interpretations are beneficial to them.
 
And the answer to the question of : would Trump supporters blindly follow him through literally anything? Has been resoundingly answered.

GOP take a bow. What a moral bunch you are.
 
It’s definitely Trump getting his moves in first though. Mueller must have a tonne of stuff on ice, Friday is going to be juicy.

Looking an you Don Jr.
 
Ewan Perez made a very important point. Most of the investigation on Trump's finances (which is what he's most concerned about) has already been transferred from Muller to the Southern District Court of NY.
An investigation Trump cannot touch.
 
Did the WH state why Sessions "resigned"? Is that more ammo for Mueller in the obstruction case?
Can Mueller now question Sessions?
So many questions.....
 
The thing everyone long thought was going to do has now happened. The timing of it post mid term victory is of course beyond suspect but as I stated earlier he s probably trying to spin the narrative so that when the house picks up the investigation again he can claim its all them. To think this doesn't have the RNC blessing at some levels is at this point probably naive.

Also - did anyone notice how many outrageous things have occurred or been said in support of this white house since Saudi Arabia and its Turkey embassy shindig? At this point it ll be hard to convince me that not at least one of all those things was in part done to help the Saudis. Also, bomber guy, the shooting in PA, etc.. Who will still talk about that now?

I used to think that line of thinking was for crazy conspiracy theorists but after Wikileaks, the Paradise papers, the FCC's manipulation of net neutrality comments etc. It's hard not to think that way anymore.
 
Raees said:
Is it really a problem which only could originate in the modern world? The fact a president can nominate judicial picks or the fact a president has a say over any internal investigations of corruption? Is this a recent development or has it always been permitted through the constitution - but never abused ? The fact that the constitution permits that to happen not to mention the right to bear arms etc there’s many flaws which yes could have been foreseen from the outset.

The US needs constitutional reform as I personally don’t see a strict separation of powers - it seems to have relied heavily on hoping individuals believe in a separation of powers rather than ensuring it through legislature/regulatory barriers.
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This country has always been about my shit don't stink. It's now happening blatantly before their eyes and no one knows what to fecking do.
In reality politics has been going downhill since Nixon. Right now one party in a two party system doesn't give a feck about civility, truth and rule of law. The other party are pussies with empty words but both are entrenched in legalized bribery. I do fear that there is no way back unless the Republicans come to their senses.
 
Reminder: the dems don't actually take control of the house til next year. So there's nothing to stop the current republican majority from doing whatever Trump wants.

I mean aside from patriotism and upholding the constitution, but my understanding is that isn't part of the GOP job description.
 
Beachryan said:
Reminder: the dems don't actually take control of the house til next year. So there's nothing to stop the current republican majority from doing whatever Trump wants.

I mean aside from patriotism and upholding the constitution, but my understanding is that isn't part of the GOP job description.
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:nervous:

That makes me feel a lot worse about the moves being made
 
2cents said:
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They’re too COMPLEX and COMPLICATED. I mean I use the biggest and bestest LAW firms and tax firms to file. They tell me it’s like over 100 pages because it’s so COMPLEX. I have MANY companies because my company is so big. So big. LYING HILARY! Why don’t the dirty dems arrest her! Corrupt!
 
Sessions and possibly Rosenstein being fired feels like the start to a new season of the US Politics reality TV show, with the last season ending with the democrats taking back the house.

This really is a case right now, of just watching with intrigue at the car crash, while hoping that it doesn't actually affect you.
 
Dargonk said:
Sessions and possibly Rosenstein being fired feels like the start to a new season of the US Politics reality TV show, with the last season ending with the democrats taking back the house.

This really is a case right now, of just watching with intrigue at the car crash, while hoping that it doesn't actually affect you.
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I must admit I forget sometimes that this is real, and not a TV drama. So many interesting story lines and 'characters'.
 
I been reading about this Whitaker guy. Trump is beginning to move.
 
Red Defence said:
I’m at a total loss as to why anyone would support Trump, never mind vote for him. The man’s thoroughly obnoxious and a disgrace to America.
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Actual text to me from a colleague as we were discussing the Acosta incident...
You may disagree, but I wish more politicians we're like him. He does whatever he wants. He doesn't have to answer to the political machines. I wish all the congressmen would do what they think is right/best for the country/best for their people rather than what the party wants. Don't agree with alot of what he does but like the freedom he has.
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Carolina Red said:
Actual text to me from a colleague as we were discussing the Acosta incident...
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Dearie me!

Criminality, coercion, amorality, bullying and self-aggrandizement ooze from every orange pore. He cares about nothing but himself, power and money. A person’s got to be pretty damn dumb not to see that.

He’s creepy an’all.
 
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