Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

langster said:
Apparently they have proof that Sessions lied when under oath, so I bet he's high on the list too. (proof coming from statements that contradict Sessions answers and versions of events)
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Interesting. Personally I hope Sessions stays, since if he leaves Trump could appoint a new AG who isn't recused and could then mess with the Mueller investigation.
 
Raoul said:
Interesting. Personally I hope Sessions stays, since if he leaves Trump could appoint a new AG who isn't recused and could then mess with the Mueller investigation.
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Hmmmmm, didn't think of that, you make a good point there. Maybe that's why they haven't done anything yet? Although it's clear now that if Trump tries anything at all to mess with Mueller or his investigation then he will be calling for his own impeachment. Him asking about resignation protocols to WH Staff members is a pretty good sign he's shitting himself and looking for any way he can to get out of this mess before it gets worse. He must know his kids and Kushner are in the shit and have lied under oath too. His recent Tweets (like the latest one about coal after a terror attack) show that he's trying his hardest to distract and change the narrative again.
 
Clovis was one of the officials named in the Papadopoulos document and he was questioned and testified last week.

 
langster said:
Apparently they have proof that Sessions lied when under oath, so I bet he's high on the list too. (proof coming from statements that contradict Sessions answers and versions of events)
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I'd love to see that fecking vile racist elf sent to prison.
 
langster said:
Hmmmmm, didn't think of that, you make a good point there. Maybe that's why they haven't done anything yet? Although it's clear now that if Trump tries anything at all to mess with Mueller or his investigation then he will be calling for his own impeachment. Him asking about resignation protocols to WH Staff members is a pretty good sign he's shitting himself and looking for any way he can to get out of this mess before it gets worse. He must know his kids and Kushner are in the shit and have lied under oath too, and his recent Tweets (like the latest one about coal after a terror attack) shows that he's trying his hardest to distract and change the narrative again.
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Well Sessions himself doesn't want to leave because he thinks he can institute his right wing agenda while Trump is busy tweeting about this or the other. It would also be hard to replace him since it would take Senate confirmation and Sessions' home boys in the Senate have already said they wont do another nomination this year.
 
Rado_N said:
I'd love to see that fecking vile racist elf sent to prison.
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:lol:

He's on a long list though mate. Don Jr smug little cnut needs to go to the big house for sure, as does Lewandowski, both truly hideous creatures. Kellyanne could do with a stint in Sing Sing as well.
 
langster said:
Apparently they have proof that Sessions lied when under oath, so I bet he's high on the list too. (proof coming from statements that contradict Sessions answers and versions of events)
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Mueller is going after that 'national security' circle first. Papadopoulos arrested and flipped. Manafort facing charges and Clovis questioned last week. I expect Flynn to be the next bombshell then maybe Sessions will come into play.
 
Raoul said:
@adexkola - re: Manafort being a flight risk

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Thanks. Very detailed but it boils down to: he travels a lot, is rich, moves money across borders, so he is a flight risk. Preponderance of the evidence standard applies too. I think confiscating the passport, and electronic monitoring of his whearabouts is suitable enough. The extra stuff is just to put more pressure on him in the hope he cracks.
 
entropy said:
Politico reporting that Clovis is also a "cooperating witness" in the investigation. More bad news for team trump.
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That's definitely bad news for Trump since Clovis has been an operative on the campaign since the early days.
 
Redlambs said:
:lol: Yeah great to see the prick squirm. I'd love to see that scum get all wrapped up in this!

Though the comment at the end from that woman in the middle didn't help things, I really can't stand stuff like that. They already had the upper hand, no need to then make it about a stupid dig.
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what did she say? i couldnt make it out
 
Interesting thread here on how twitchy Sessions might be feeling right now...

 
Powderfinger said:
The document filed yesterday by Mueller describes him as a "proactive cooperator," meaning somebody who is actively working with law enforcement in the investigation, perhaps even wearing a wire. The most likely scenario is that Mueller wanted him to post this photo (and probably others in the past) to give the impression that all was normal and maintain the illusion that he hadn't started collaborating with investigators.
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That photo was shopped. This was the real photo:

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Raoul said:
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Top trolling from Mueller right there. Trump and his surrogates spent most of yesterday pointing out that Russia wasn't mentioned in the Manafort/Gates indictments and then they drop this! :lol:
 
Raulduke said:
Top trolling from Mueller right there. Trump and his surrogates spent most of yesterday pointing out that Russia wasn't mentioned in the Manafort/Gates indictments and then they drop this! :lol:
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It's not really trolling; Manafort receiving money from Russian oligarchs isn't exactly a secret.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
It's not really trolling; Manafort receiving money from Russian oligarchs isn't exactly a secret.
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This was written when he resigned last year:

Back in 1992, Spy magazine ranked his lobbying firm as the “sleaziest” of all in the Beltway, giving it a “blood-on-the-hands” rating of four. That was a full bloody hand more than the rating accorded to runner-up Edward von Kloberg, whose clients – listed in his Rolodex under “d” for “dictators” – included Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, Romania’s Nicolae Ceausescu, and Liberia’s Samuel Doe. It’s no surprise that when asked by the Washington Times what historical figure he’d like to meet, Manafort replied Machiavelli.
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Two people loaned him money to purchase the latter property: Tom Barrack, Trump’s major campaign funder, and an arms dealer named Abdul Rahman El-Assir, who is suspected of paying kickbacks to secure French weapons deals to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Those two countries are accused of having illegally funded the 1995 presidential campaign of France’s Édouard Balladur, which was run by Manafort; the entire affair is currently under investigation by French authorities.

In more recent years, Manafort has worked to advance the cause of Viktor Yanukovych, the Ukrainian leader who was forced to flee for Moscow a few years ago in the face of popular protests. He’s also offered financial and political advice to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch whose criminal activities in post-Soviet left him banned from the United States, and to a Ukrainian gangster and gas billionaire named Dmitro Firtash who is currently wanted by the FBI for bribery and organized crime.
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Manafort himself has been the target of at least one criminal probe. During the George H.W. Bush presidency, Congress investigated a firm Manafort co-founded that allegedly obtained millions of dollars inappropriately from the Department of Housing and Urban Development to rehabilitate low-income housing. Manafort forthrightly described his business model to congress Congress, telling lawmakers that “for the purposes” of their investigation, “you could characterize this as influence peddling.” (More than a dozen federal officials were convicted in the scandal, but Manafort was never charged.)
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When Reagan ran against Carter in 1980, Manafort coordinated the Republican juggernaut’s campaign in the south and expertly pushed racial buttons to dredge up support from poor, conservative whites. Reagan famously kicked off his campaign with a speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi — a spot Manafort had picked with care. In 1964, three civil rights activists were murdered there, and the area still had a significant Ku Klux Klan presence. Days before the event, the Klan firebombed a black church and beat worshipers not far from the town.
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BMSK’s team supplemented their growing influence by making eye-popping political contributions. Clients were dying to sign up. Early customers included Salomon Brothers, the Wall Street investment bank that at the time was dreaming up mortgaged-backed securities and other instruments of future financial doom; Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.; and the Tobacco Institute, whose chief message was that smoking looked good, tasted great, wasn’t addictive and wasn’t particularly harmful to your health, either.
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But the firm’s domestic lobbying was actually pretty tame next to its overseas adventures. Mobuto Sese Seko of Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo), who even today is considered to be a veritable model of kleptocratic rule, signed a $1 million deal with the firm in the 1980s to help win continued U.S. economic aid.
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In 1985, BMSK signed up Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, another of the era’s most profligate kleptocrats, who had ruled under martial law for more than a decade. Unfortunately, popular protests forced Marcos to flee to Hawaii just a few months later. Black Manafort reported receiving its final payment on record from the Chamber. But the company managed to get paid by the dictator, including $258,000 for reimbursements “for all manner of pricey meals and travel,” according to Politico — just as the dictator was heading out of town with every dollar he could stuff in his suitcases.
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He netted millions of dollars in fees from Oleg Deripaska, a metals magnate who had been barred from entering the United States due to his alleged ties to Russian organized crime.
In 2006, Manafort and Rick Davis, another Reagan administration alum, were paid by Deripaska and other oligarchs to win U.S. support for Montenegro’s independence referendum, which was narrowly approved by voters.
What’s curious is that Sen. John McCain, who is reflexively anti-Russia and anti-oligarch on virtually every issue, came out in favor of Montenegro’s independence after talking things over with Manafort and Davis, who are two of his largest historic campaign fundraisers and allies. (Indeed, Davis ran McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign into the ground.)
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At the same time Manafort was retained by Rinat Akhmetov, a billionaire Ukrainian oligarch who, according to a New York Times account, “is reputed to have emerged from a bloody power struggle among organized crime groups in the 1990s that sought to control the mighty coal and steel assets of the Soviet Union.”
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berbatrick said:
This was written when he resigned last year:
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clients – listed in his Rolodex under “d” for “dictators” – included Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, Romania’s Nicolae Ceausescu, and Liberia’s Samuel Doe
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Who all came to sticky ends. You'd think such a clever guy like Drumpf would have read the writing on the wall...
 
oates said:
Who all came to sticky ends. You'd think such a clever guy like Drumpf would have read the writing on the wall...
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But the article is saying they were the clients of another person, right? Edward von Kloberg III. Regardless, Trump can't have been in the dark on who Manafort was. I think he relishes surrounding himself with other gaping assholes.
 
Fener1907 said:
But the article is saying they were the clients of another person, right? Edward von Kloberg III. Regardless, Trump can't have been in the dark on who Manafort was. I think he relishes surrounding himself with other gaping assholes.
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I didn't read it properly. It would have been a good story.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
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Reading this, more and more it seems papadopoulos was the one trying to push this Russia stuff on Trump campaign almost like a honey pot :lol:. Either that or he was trying so hard to impress and get higher up the food chain he was using this to get some praise and some recognition from the campaign. Almost like a giddy intern. That's just based on what's been released so far.
 
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