Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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I love how CNN has found out that the company looking to merge with it was paying Cohen 200k big ones to get him to spill his information
I‘m no trial lawyer but if his legal strategy is to get headlines and fish for mistakes then to me that seems like the case is in bad shape.
he is going against the president of the usa, he has to have a battle in the court of opinion aswell. keeping silent wont help. I dont think hes fishing for mistakes he clearly has all his ducks in a row. You may not like him but hes been very effective and has been the only person so far to out play trump in his own game.
Whether I like him or not bears no relevance and fwiw I don‘t care about him. There is no need for the public opinion from a legal point of view. His case is before a judge not a jury.
Considering the bigger picture of the case, the only incentive for Daniels to get rid of the NDA, and its 130‘000$ she‘d have to pay back, is to profit more by selling the respective information. That‘s where the PR need is coming from imo.
I agree that he‘s been very effective at doing that, full credit to him.
i shouldnt have said like him , i more meant his style. As for no need for public opinion that defo would have no need, but its the president of the united states. So it has alot more need especially when the only way to get justice to him may be from congress.
No, I think you are confusing things here. One matter is the Mueller investigation with the subject of Trump/Russia collusion. Another is the Stormy Daniels/Michael Cohen NDA dispute. Avenatti's role is with the second matter.
The two matters are actually intertwined with one another through Cohen's role in both of them.
Both of which have a common man Cohen. I think more and more these two "separate" things may become closer than one may think
Obviously, since there is a party that is involved in both matters. Daniels claims that the NDA is nullified because Trump hadn't personally signed it. Avenatti is her lawyer. What does she care, or the judge that is about to rule, about the origin of the money?
Campaign finances violation etc. all that stuff is relevant for state attorneys and political oversight. Not, however, Avenatti. It just offers him better cards since Trump potentially has significant downside to claim that he is part of the contract making it valid. Nothing he can influence though.
I reckon it was payments related to something else. Its now being reported AT&T also paid Cohen via the same shell company that Cohen used to pay the hush money.
Avenatii has every right to research Cohen and his activities since he is the one who is at the center of her case. If Cohen used money that was funneled to him by Russians then that shows overlap between both the Stormy Daniels and Trump/Russia cases.
Have you heard about the AT&T news? It lends credence to the notion that Cohen was using the same shell company for a variety of reasons which are completely unrelated to the Story Daniels stuff.
I'm sure he did since her case wasn't the only one that required secrecy when moving money around between various parties.
Think this is big.
Basically all that needs to be proven is that some of the money between the Oligarchs and Cohen was intended for the Trump Corporation and/or to influence a quid pro quo with Trump himself. That could blow this case into the stratosphere.
Avenatti has every right to research anything he likes just about as much as you and I have, meaning through public resources. If we are talking about Avenatti the lawyer representing Stormy Daniels then I fail to see how research into the things you mention in the second sentence wouldn't be an utter waste of money. Lawyers must represent the interests of their clients before the law, and while I'm sure Daniels is really worried about Putin meddling in US election, it's not an issue a private citizen like herself is touched by law.
The two cases can't be entirely separated. If Avenatti is out to prove Cohen is corrupt in order to impugn his credibility to help him win the Stormy Daniels case, then he can leverage what Cohen has done on the Russia front to illustrate that Cohen is an individual with corrupt intent.
AT and T too, feck them
Your legitimate concern for Ms. Clifford is duly noted.
While that all makes sense the case Avenatti is hired for doesn't require Cohen to be corrupt at all. It's about whether Trump was part of the contract or not. Cohen could be the Godfather himself and it wouldn't change one bit in this specific dispute.
He is ultimately hired to win the case. The approach and resources he uses to get there are completely up to him and his firm. If there is conspicuous and corrupt overlap between Cohen and both cases then Avenatti would be incompetent not to fully exploit it to his advantage.
What i find amazing is if Avenatti and the NYT can access this kind of financial information just imagine what Mueller may have. Crazy
I'm genuinely impressed that Avenatti was able to ferret this out before the media was. He must have some very good sources within the government. Mueller must be sitting on a mountain of evidence the public doesn't yet know.
I'm claiming there is no advantage to it. So unless you can show me how exactly it is, and proving Cohen to be corrupt isn't one, we should just call it quits and agree to disagree.
There is an advantage to it if Avenatti, based on information only he has available to him, deems it so. If it was pointless then he wouldn't be wasting his time.
yeh i dont think there is much advantage with this particular information for his case. he could be angling for something else in the future. But i do think in research for his own case against cohen and the llc he stumbled across this information
Obviously, the guy isn't stupid. That the reason I said he is doing it for PR and I even credited him.
If Trump has absolutely no money and is completely knee deep in debt to the Russians would you put it past him to suggest a hail Mary payment by becoming President and using that to pump money into his failing businesses and make it an IOU like he's blatantly been doing since he was inaugurated?
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Holy shit that's a surprise
I wonder how many times we'll hear the phrase "witch hunt" today
I wonder how many times we'll hear the phrase "witch hunt" today
We've said this to almost everything over the past couple of years only for something even "bigger" to drop.
It most definitely is related though. Forgetting the Russian Collusion claims entirely and treating it as a seperate subject:
If Avenatti can prove that the money to pay off Daniels came from a Russian Oligarch, that proves that Trump was not an active party in the deal but a benefactor.
In that case, the payment breaks campaign finance laws on multiple levels including; foreign money influencing an election, donation cap grossly exceeded and conspiracy to defraud the FEC by not declaring said donations.
In simple terms that makes the payments made totally illegal and the NDA rendered invalid which is exactly what Avenatti wants for his client.
So yeah, it's not just a PR run like you suggest, it's a brilliantly calculated and so far perfectly executed strategy.
Now if you want something to be critical of, you might want to try this angle:
I honestly think there's something questionable going on with this case. I very much doubt it's illegal because I don't think that is how Mueller operates but I'm surprised that Trump, his legal team and his sycophants in the media aren't asking more questions. It definitely seems that Mueller passed this over to SDNY and either Mueller or SDNY has shared intelligence with Avenatti to help bring a case against Cohen. If Avenatti wins the case or even if he doesn't but submits all this as evidence, it's going to be a lot easier to bring it to the table when Cohen is tried for everything else.
It's shite like this Korea's former president, Park Guen Hye got 24 years in prison for.