Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

Rest assured Cohen is dumb enough to have thought all his files would always remain confidential. I'm sure the FBI now has all of his data.
 
Jeez, is Trump actually trying to appear guilty as sin?
 
I still find it staggering that the man being investigated is able to get involved with and potentially obscure his own investigation.
 
AltiUn said:
I still find it staggering that the man being investigated is able to get involved with and potentially obscure his own investigation.
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You'd think there'd be serious grounds for obstruction of justice on that alone.
 
Seems like a fair few senators have come forward in recent days to make it clear they will take action if Trump attempts to fire Mueller.

There's a Bi-Partisan bill that has been drawn up that I think will quickly pass if he's fired that will give Mueller a 10 day window to lay out his case to 3 bi-partisan selected judges. If they rule that he was unfairly dismissed, he will be reinstated under the authority of the senate and completely out of control of the executive branch.

If this happens, I'd be very, very confident that Mueller and his team would put a convincing case to the three judge panel and if he was judged to have been unjustly removed from the role it would make a very strong case for obstruction of justice, all they'd need to do was prove the motive.
 
A law professor recently made the point that Trump's comment about the raid being 'an attack on the country' is an accusation of treason committed by top judicial and law enforcement officials. They're unlikely to look favourably on Trump after that remark...in fact, he's making things worse for himself.
 
SteveJ said:
A law professor recently made the point that Trump's comment about the raid being 'an attack on the country' is an accusation of treason committed by top judicial and law enforcement officials. They're unlikely to look favourably on Trump after that remark...in fact, he's making things worse for himself.
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This line in particular is so egregious. Spectacularly naive or dangerous stuff when you take a step back from it.
 
SteveJ said:
A law professor recently made the point that Trump's comment about the raid being 'an attack on the country' is an accusation of treason committed by top judicial and law enforcement officials. They're unlikely to look favourably on Trump after that remark...in fact, he's making things worse for himself.
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It came off like that to me too. It would be something I was sure to highlight if I found evidence of him working with the Russians.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
This line in particular is so egregious. Spectacularly naive or dangerous stuff when you take a step back from it.
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Trump doesn't see a distinction between 'the country' and himself. See Erdogan in Turkey for a similar example.
 
2cents said:
Trump doesn't see a distinction between 'the country' and himself. See Erdogan in Turkey for a similar example.
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He does, he's just creating a siege mentality among his supporters while trying to remain as the morally superior entity.

He could say "it's an attack on me" but that's too insular. He want's his base to know that it's them that is the victim here.

He could say "it's an attack on me and my supporters" but that creates the idea that it's Trump and his supporters against a law division working on behalf of the United States of America.

So he says "it's an attack on the country" which pushes the narrative that it's a rogue law division working against the interests of the American people. It's easier to create the optic that you're the good guy when you're in the majority.
 
Mike Myers should do a skit playing Trump. Then have the wind blow the wig off and He’s actually Been Dr Evil this whole time.
 
I'm wondering what kind of protection Mueller is given or how that's done. Between Trump and his band of crazies and the Russians you d figure him and his team aren't exactly safe wherever they go.
 
So how does an apparently inevitable clash with Russia over Syria square with the idea that Trump is a Putin puppet?
 
Redplane said:
I'm wondering what kind of protection Mueller is given or how that's done. Between Trump and his band of crazies and the Russians you d figure him and his team aren't exactly safe wherever they go.
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At the same time, any anti-Mueller force will know that if anything happens, it would directly implicate those he is investigating, which would cause a lot more damage than simply allowing the investigation to continue.
 
2cents said:
So how does an apparently inevitable clash with Russia over Syria square with the idea that Trump is a Putin puppet?
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The bit about being a Putin puppet was more so a meme than an actual reality imo. Especially when one peels back the onion as to Putin's real intention, which in this case was to make sure Hillary didn't get elected since she would've spent much of her term bitchslapping him into submission. Putin's broader agenda of course is to disrupt democratic systems so that democracy itself never makes its way to Russia - something that would end his regime and eventually result in his execution.
 
2cents said:
So how does an apparently inevitable clash with Russia over Syria square with the idea that Trump is a Putin puppet?
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Raoul said:
The bit about being a Putin puppet was more so a meme than an actual reality imo. Especially when one peels back the onion as to Putin's real intention, which in this case was to make sure Hillary didn't get elected since she would've spent much of her term bitchslapping him into submission. Putin's broader agenda of course is to disrupt democratic systems so that democracy itself never makes its way to Russia - something that would end his regime and eventually result in his execution.
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If we carry on the hypothesis/reality that Trump is a Putin puppet, it is an incredible asset for Putin to have, he'll never have anything this good, he is going to protect it and be willing to do so at great cost. Even if he isn't a direct puppet but just got some in-direct Russian help, Trump as sitting president is still greatly beneficial to Putin, compared to having someone like Hillary as president, as stated.

The Russian investigation and everything else Mueller is investigating appears to be edging closer to boiling point and an impeachment becoming more and more likely, or at the very least a crushing defeat in the mid-terms making it very difficult for Trump to pass anything pro-Russian. So basically, Putin right now is at risk of losing his asset and therefore has to take steps to protect it. Trump is too incompetent to get himself out of this mess and it is probably too late already.

We'll see what happens but I very much doubt the inevitable clash will amount to much more than bluster and rhetoric going back and forth, maybe a bomb dropped on an abandoned runway like last time. The point is, Trump finally showing some aggression and opposition towards Russia helps his case against the Russian investigation and ultimately helps Putin.
 
2cents said:
So how does an apparently inevitable clash with Russia over Syria square with the idea that Trump is a Putin puppet?
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Nothing happens with Russia. More innocent Syrians will die when the bombs start dropping, collateral damage if you will. Russians step aside and the bombings take some heat and news off Trump.
 
He's already warned the Russians that an attack is coming so that gives them time to get out of harm's way, and gives Trump the time to select non Russian area targets.
 
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/11...confrontational-toward-russia-than-obama-was/

Glenn :D
THE CIVIL WAR in Syria began in 2011 and escalated for five years during the Obama presidency, yet Barack Obama — despite demands from leaders of both parties and think tanks across the spectrum — never once bombed Syrian government targets. Although the CIA under Obama spent $1 billion per year to covertly train and fund Bashar al-Assad’s enemies, it was never close to enough to topple him: just enough to keep the war going.

But Obama never bombed Assad or his military assets: a decision which, to this day, is scorned across official Washington. Hillary Clinton blasted Obama’s refusal to do more to stop Assad, and in 2017, she actively encouraged Donald Trump to bomb Assad and take out his air force.
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This morning on CNN, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright — who spent 2012 mocking Mitt Romney as an archaic Cold Warrior for warning that Putin posed a grave threat to the U.S. — praised Trump’s tweets: “I agree with President Trump and his description of Putin,” she said, adding: “At least the President has recognized that Putin is not a friend.”
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After Trump ordered what the Washington Post correctly described as “the largest expulsion of Russian spies and diplomats in U.S. history,” the paper acknowledged an uncomfortable, narrative-busting truth:

Despite Trump’s reliably warm rhetoric toward Moscow and his steadfast reluctance to criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Trump administration has at times taken aggressive action against Russia at the recommendation of the president’s top aides.

Indeed, the Post then quoted John Herbst, “a Russia scholar at the Atlantic Council,” as saying that the Trump administration has been more willing to confront Putin than the Obama administration was. “If you just look at policy, this administration has taken steps the Obama administration was not willing to.
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For years, the Obama administration refused to send lethal arms to Ukraine despite bipartisan demand that he do so. By stark contrast, the Trump administration last December approved a lethal arms transfers, including anti-tank weapons.
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In a move this week that NBC News called “a black Monday for Russian oligarchs,” Trump announced “sweeping sanctions against members of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle,” causing the ruble to tumble. Specifically, “the Treasury Department, in connection with the State Department, targeted seven Russian oligarchs and 12 companies they own or control. It also issued sanctions on 17 senior government officials, along with a state-owned weapons trading company and its subsidiary, a Russian bank.”
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It’s also true that Trump has made his fair share of positive remarks about Putin and, until recently, had refrained from criticizing him. But that’s part of a larger pattern in which Trump has spoken only positively about the Philippines’s Rodrigo Duterte, Egypt’s Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Saudi despots, and Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu. Trump — like most American presidents — has an affinity for authoritarian rulers in general who are allied with the U.S.: a long-standing tactic that is by no means unique to Russia or to Trump.

But whatever else is true, Trump — notwithstanding the prevailing Democratic Party and media narrative over the last 18 months — has been far more willing to confront Russia and defy Putin than Obama ever was. While that may make think tank militarists, the defense industry, and warmongers in both parties giddy, it is extremely dangerous for the world.
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Dots are being connected. Release of first batch of Wikileaks Hillary emails coordinated by Trump org to counter the Access Hollywood tape. The tape came out 27 minutes before the Hillary email dump.
 
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