@ brain scans. Just let everyone watch an episode of Mrs Browns Boys and anyone that laughs gets their vote taken away.
A great idea!
Trump and Brexit: What has happened to the world?
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A great idea!
FFS. The leftist in the election was Bernie. He spoke exactly about the same issues: jobs, trade (and also healthcare). Hillary is a (self-defined) centrist. Same with the remain campaign (centre/centre-right). If you like, you can group them all under liberals.
But that is distinct from leftists.
How about not restricting the voting population and restricting the candidates based on their profile?
When did I say otherwise? I was alluding to the common caftard not Billary. The CE forum - arguments for the sake of it, everyone is so eristic which is why I usually keep out.
FFS...
It's the quote of 2016. Will hopefully be looked back on with shame in decades to come, rather than being a sign of where modern political discourse is going.
That's the point of the vote, isn't it?
No, even before we go for a vote..
That voting population voted for Trump as the "Republican" candidate. He was voted in based on his profile, the fact that it was totally different from the established GOP. He blew them out of the water.
Yeah, restricting people's voting rights isn't exactly the progressive solution I was hoping for.
Read my post above. I am talking about restricting the candidacy itself.
There was actually a liberal 'progressive' making the case for this on Radio 4 after the Brexit vote.
Politics affects the immediate as well as the future so there should be no restrictions on the elderly IMO.
Considering his overt sexism and the allegations of assault/harassment, this will be among the more shocking parts of the post-action analysis. It will represent a personal defeat for Hillary too,one would suspect.
Certainly the pollsters of the future will look back on 2015/16 with shame. I can still remember the shock on here when the Sky News exit poll came out at the last general election.
And many an economic expert has also been shown to be wrong, or so complicit in the status quo as to be unreliable.
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What type of profile do you have in mind?
There was actually a liberal 'progressive' making the case for this on Radio 4 after the Brexit vote.
Politics affects the immediate as well as the future so there should be no restrictions on the elderly IMO.
And the only reason the elderly's vote matters is because they actually move their asses to the polls.
We aren't on the same level of politicians or those, in Trump's case, running for political office. They are elite. Trump is a 1 percenter. The only thing I have in common with Trump is the fact that we are American citizens and we both voted yesterday. He can say whatever he wants because of free speech. And more than enough people believe in Trump, just like those people believe in Sanders or Clinton.
They are part of politics. All those working rights you enjoy as a member of the EU began with Unions
After several discussions today, my honest opinion is that people are fed up with extremely passive liberal leftists who don't do anything.
Rubbish
There was actually a liberal 'progressive' making the case for this on Radio 4 after the Brexit vote.
Politics affects the immediate as well as the future so there should be no restrictions on the elderly IMO.
Some liberals aren't always great at being liberal. Elderly people of course have as much right to have a say in their country as anyone else.
Besides, one of the problems in the UK and US seems to be that a lot of people are disillusioned with the political system as is. Introducing restrictions that push the vote back towards the establishment would only increase that problem.
Generation X, we are usually described as the lost generation that got fecked from both sides.
What do you think Trump will do that "passive liberal leftists" wouldn't?
The most obvious answer to me is start World War III.
I am a few years older (not many
More people own property now than they did 40 50 or 60 years ago. Council houses were sold off.
When I first bought a property I really struggled to pay the mortgage and we didn't have mobile phones, sound sytems, massive TVs, computers and all the rest
that people now take for granted. Just to live and eat was a struggle. The Uk was not a bed of roses in the 60s and 70s.
As you know I am a strong EU supporter and the problem is that the older generation remember the good things that happened but don't remember the struggles. It is more a question of education and not being able to distinguish between lies and reality plus people believing what they wanted to believe.
Even the immigration issue was similar then with resentment of the colonial immigrants of the 50s and 60s.
Nothing really changes, other than now it is more acceptable to voice one's prejudices
I know it wasn't a bed of roses (I was born in the 70's), but the absolute explosion in both house prices and rents has had an extremely heavy effect. When people buy houses now they're taking on insane amounts of debt to do it, and the huge numbers who can't even imagine being able to get the money for buying are paying huge proportions of their wages in rent. There's a reason why they reckon this generation could be the first to end up worse off than their parents were.
Generation X, we are usually described as the lost generation that got fecked from both sides.
You are not lost, you are the current far right politicians. Scumbags.
Not saying I agree with the result. I think it has just come across recently that people want something to change. It's very unfortunate IMO, it's just been a perfect storm for nutters to take control.
They think so but you imagine, the first property I bought was £11k , sold it 4 years later for £21k, nearly double, interest rates at 15%, imagine interest rates like that now
Things do look grim for young people right now but they looked plenty grim, plenty of times, for the older generation who have supposedly cruised their way through life without any adversity. For example, my parents had to raise a young family in the middle of a savage recession combined with spiralling interest rates and the imminent threat of nuclear armageddon. If you could put yourself in their shoes the future would have looked just as grim as it does for any millenial right now.
It depends how you define World War III.
If you mean, in the classical sense of NATO vs Russia/China; actually this seems much less likely than before since Trump and Putin are rather fond of each other by all accounts.
If you mean: cause further division between muslims and non-muslims potentially further stirring up hatred on both sides leading to more terrorism - Trump may well be yer man.
The political system and the money that flows through has destroyed the political system as we knew it. Introducing restrictions is not good and I agree that will only increase the problem.
The rhetoric of Trump was that he will change government and rid of the corruptness. #draintheswamp. That's so much easier said than done and I find it hard to believe he'll do this without shooting himself in the foot. But we'll see. The U.S. House of Representatives and Congress and White House are under Republican control.
I agree with you 2015 Britain was a far better place to live , I'm not disagreeing with you, up until Brexit, look at the comments by people and please don't say it's a minority. They now think it's open season to say anything that fits what Brexit has unleashed. I never said that xenophobia or prejudice didn't exist before.
We are in a period of great stagnation, what happened to Japan in the 80s is happening in the rest of the Western world. I think that's why the outlook is bleak
Fair point. I was mainly highlighting that - without the benefit of hindsight - problems that eventually go away often seem insurmountable to the people facing them when they first emerge.
Some kind of intelligence test, maybe a literacy test, I think those worked well in the past and were never abused to suppress the vote.
How about for starters, expect them to be dignified and not make the comments he had made over the last year or so.
I mean, if you or me made those comments we would be jobless right now...
Do you not see that's wrong.
...but that basically says, if you're not very intelligent, you're not allowed to speak up and have a say.
Look, I'm as devastated as the rest that Donald has found his way into power, but I really don't see how engineering the system through exclusion to suit our agenda is ever acceptable.
I'd like to see a quick MCQ on the policies of the candidates. Intelligence aside, anyone who is too lazy or uninformed to gen up on the policies they're voting about shouldn't be allowed to vote. Particularly relevant here because Trump was so damn evasive about what his policies actually are!
It's not that it's wrong, it's just plain fact. He may not be a career politician, but he has money only people can dream of and most importantly, he's got influence and he built an audience. We're not born into equal settings which is obvious. The thing that made America so unique, for so long is the ability to climb the socialeconomic ladder upwards. It's harder and harder each passing year for millions of Americans. You see that with the diminishing so called American middle, working class with stagnant wages, increasing or unbalanced local, state and federal taxes.
You dont get my point at all, do you??... People here are talking about restricting voters by age, intelligence, brain scans
, etc.., I am saying why do it from bottom up, when you can screen these candidates with high degree of standards even before they are considered as nominees.... Does that make any sense??I don't agree that America is in anyway special in terms of social mobility. The 'American Dream' is just hyperbole; a proportion of immigrants into any nation will work hard and prosper, what's so fundamentally different about the US that it gets this title?
I am not arsed by what is happening to the majority of the world because young voters are actually being progressive as their vote will show. The future will be better and this is just a step backward at the moment for humankind.
If not, the science community will leave them behind and we can create a better society on another planet. Reading everything about EM Drive, reuseable fuel and quantum computing, I am excited about the future. So, feck all these backward thinking, singled minded, bigoted and negative -ism individuals.
If not, the science community will leave them behind and we can create a better society on another planet. Reading everything about EM Drive, reuseable fuel and quantum computing, I am excited about the future. So, feck all these backward thinking, singled minded, bigoted and negative -ism individuals.
Where are they going to get their money from?. Most research in UK was funded by European research council and they have kind of put a stop to it.
And Trump in US is not very scientific, doesnt believe in climate change, Vaccinations etc..,
You dont get my point at all, do you??... People here are talking about restricting voters by age, intelligence, brain scans
How did the Fit and Proper Person Test work out for the Premier League? You cannot do that in any objective way. It's up to the people to become informed enough to screen (i.e. vote).